wow I like this thread!!! very informative!!! thanks!
Your welcome, if I'm one of the ones you are thanking.
I think the discussion is crucial, especially since the majority on the Supreme Court and in the House of Representatives represent the views of the right-wing Federalist Society.
Americans need to be informed and realize that the Federalist Society's view is a false federalism representing a Hamiltonian view -- the view of a corporate friendly banker -- not the view of more fair Founding Fathers like Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and all the others who disagreed with Hamilton.
Many Americans have been fooled, and hoodwinked by Reaganism, and it's about time for an awakening, and an American Spring.
Regarding the discussion on Imperialism, NO nation has the right to indulge in it any more.
All nations should be free, independent, sovereign countries, with governments of, by and for their people. Period.
The U.S. was established precisely to reject the military industrial imperialism of England, and presidents like Thomas Jefferson expanded U.S. territory by buying it from France. He didn't fight and kill for it. And his commission of Lewis and Clark's Corps of Discovery was not imperialistic. It was to explore and discover the life and ways of Native Americans, and to discover America.
Unfortunately, it was long afterward, in 1823, that the "Doctrine of Discovery" opened the door to military imperialism and declared that Native Americans had no right to their land. And then gradually, and certainly after the Spanish American War, the U.S. became a military industrial empire in the European tradition.
The Obama administration are all members of the International Socialists Party, and so are the other half of the court.
Of course .. the US was "created" more in line with the Federalists point of view .. not the communists, socialists, maost point of view of the left wing conspiracy that took over this nation back in 1933, and hasn't looked back since.
BTW ... the "bankers" ... are not Federalists .. they go on your side of that blind lady's scales. It was a Democrat that created the Federal Reserve for his Banking buddies. He knew it was wrong .. but what the hell ...
It's a typical right-wing tactic to accuse conscientious progressives of being "socialists," but it's a cheap shot and I'm surprised you would stick to that worn out, misleading tactic.
Furthermore, your claim that the U.S. was created "more in line with the Federalist point of view" ignores the fact that James Madison's view of Federalism was not in line with Hamilton's.
In fact, James Madision was a protoge of Thomas Jefferson, and both of them were vehemently opposed to the Hamiltonian Federalist point of view. Jefferson called the Hamiltonians "Economic Royalists."
I have no problem with our building and rulling an empire...IF we were any good at it. We're not. Therefore I'm opposed to us building and rulling an empire.
Ken
We're no good at it because the principles upon with the original united States was built was not intended to build empires.
If anything, it has been our adopting the empire building nature of Europe, by emulating their systems. The Federal Reserve was created in 1918 and was signed into law by a Democrat, Woodrow Wilson. That laid the foundation. FDR, put the nation on the path of Europeanizaiton by adopting the policies of Fabianism, which was the non-violent twin brother of Communism. It is Socialistic by Nature, and always takes advantage of crises to implement. Thus, comming out of WWI, we got the Federal Reserve, which played a pivotal role in the Great Depression. Then we get FDR, who implements centralized mortgage and S.S. Then we have Viet Nam, and we get Medicare/Medicaid. Carter comes along with a recessed economy, and implements the CRA, forcing banks to loan money to people who could not afford houses, and Clinton put that program on steroids. Reagan, bargaining with a completely Democrat House and Senate expanded the EIC, and Clinton Expanded it yet again .. twice .. and then Bush the Dumb Ass did it yet again. EIC .. while some herald it as the "best poverty fighting tool we have" .. in reality, it is just wealth redistribution ala socialism style, and fosters dependence on Government and the Entitlement Mindset that has gripped the nation.
PNAC??? .. we have a whole lot more bigger problems than PNAC and the "neo-cons". The neo-cons may be some sorry SOBs .. but they aren't the one's responsible for our 15 Trillion dollar debt. NO ... that debt is a direct result of socialism embedded in a capitalistic economy [the basics of Fabianism put in place by FDR]. It's motto ... "Capitalism in, Socialism out". The overwhelming majority of our debt and deficit issues stem from our Government Subsidized Existence.
Bo, no thinking person could lay the current financial crisis on the Socialist Dems, that is simple-minded and out of touch with reality.
It has many causes, but the catalyst was the combination of expensive, endless foreign adventures (that both sides are responsible for) and irresponsible taxation policy that the current and previous administrations both brought into maturity and that nobody is addressing in any sort of realistic manner. This isn't a partisan matter by any means, and until it stops being debated as one it will not be solved.
It has many causes, but the catalyst was the combination of expensive, endless foreign adventures (that both sides are responsible for) and irresponsible taxation policy that the current and previous administrations both brought into maturity and that nobody is addressing in any sort of realistic manner.
In other words the NeoCon business model. Endless wars and the military buildups and more and newer weapons. How can Bo leave that out? oh yea those pesky neo cons and their taj mahal foreign embassies and the 500,000 independant contractors that service it. Cheney the ultimate neo con warrior said it best. Deficits don't matter. except they do now. what happened to then?
We can no longer allow our eating dollars and our political capital to continue feeding giant agribusiness corporations.
I have no problem with our building and rulling an empire...IF we were any good at it. We're not. Therefore I'm opposed to us building and rulling an empire.
Ken
We're no good at it because the principles upon with the original united States was built was not intended to build empires.
If anything, it has been our adopting the empire building nature of Europe, by emulating their systems. The Federal Reserve was created in 1918 and was signed into law by a Democrat, Woodrow Wilson. That laid the foundation. FDR, put the nation on the path of Europeanizaiton by adopting the policies of Fabianism, which was the non-violent twin brother of Communism. It is Socialistic by Nature, and always takes advantage of crises to implement. Thus, comming out of WWI, we got the Federal Reserve, which played a pivotal role in the Great Depression. Then we get FDR, who implements centralized mortgage and S.S. Then we have Viet Nam, and we get Medicare/Medicaid. Carter comes along with a recessed economy, and implements the CRA, forcing banks to loan money to people who could not afford houses, and Clinton put that program on steroids. Reagan, bargaining with a completely Democrat House and Senate expanded the EIC, and Clinton Expanded it yet again .. twice .. and then Bush the Dumb Ass did it yet again. EIC .. while some herald it as the "best poverty fighting tool we have" .. in reality, it is just wealth redistribution ala socialism style, and fosters dependence on Government and the Entitlement Mindset that has gripped the nation.
PNAC??? .. we have a whole lot more bigger problems than PNAC and the "neo-cons". The neo-cons may be some sorry SOBs .. but they aren't the one's responsible for our 15 Trillion dollar debt. NO ... that debt is a direct result of socialism embedded in a capitalistic economy [the basics of Fabianism put in place by FDR]. It's motto ... "Capitalism in, Socialism out". The overwhelming majority of our debt and deficit issues stem from our Government Subsidized Existence.
Bo, no thinking person could lay the current financial crisis on the Socialist Dems, that is simple-minded and out of touch with reality.
It has many causes, but the catalyst was the combination of expensive, endless foreign adventures (that both sides are responsible for) and irresponsible taxation policy that the current and previous administrations both brought into maturity and that nobody is addressing in any sort of realistic manner. This isn't a partisan matter by any means, and until it stops being debated as one it will not be solved.
The important thing to remember about American history is that it is fictional, a charcoal-sketched simplicity for the children or the easily bored. For the most part it is uninspected, unimagined, unthought, a representative of the thing and not the thing itself. It is a fine fiction... Neil Gaiman 'American Gods'
I have no problem with our building and rulling an empire...IF we were any good at it. We're not. Therefore I'm opposed to us building and rulling an empire.
Ken
We're no good at it because the principles upon with the original united States was built was not intended to build empires.
If anything, it has been our adopting the empire building nature of Europe, by emulating their systems. The Federal Reserve was created in 1918 and was signed into law by a Democrat, Woodrow Wilson. That laid the foundation. FDR, put the nation on the path of Europeanizaiton by adopting the policies of Fabianism, which was the non-violent twin brother of Communism. It is Socialistic by Nature, and always takes advantage of crises to implement. Thus, comming out of WWI, we got the Federal Reserve, which played a pivotal role in the Great Depression. Then we get FDR, who implements centralized mortgage and S.S. Then we have Viet Nam, and we get Medicare/Medicaid. Carter comes along with a recessed economy, and implements the CRA, forcing banks to loan money to people who could not afford houses, and Clinton put that program on steroids. Reagan, bargaining with a completely Democrat House and Senate expanded the EIC, and Clinton Expanded it yet again .. twice .. and then Bush the Dumb Ass did it yet again. EIC .. while some herald it as the "best poverty fighting tool we have" .. in reality, it is just wealth redistribution ala socialism style, and fosters dependence on Government and the Entitlement Mindset that has gripped the nation.
PNAC??? .. we have a whole lot more bigger problems than PNAC and the "neo-cons". The neo-cons may be some sorry SOBs .. but they aren't the one's responsible for our 15 Trillion dollar debt. NO ... that debt is a direct result of socialism embedded in a capitalistic economy [the basics of Fabianism put in place by FDR]. It's motto ... "Capitalism in, Socialism out". The overwhelming majority of our debt and deficit issues stem from our Government Subsidized Existence.
I have no problem with our building and rulling an empire...IF we were any good at it. We're not. Therefore I'm opposed to us building and rulling an empire.
Ken
Conservative, Libertarian, Life member of the NRA and VFW
The Obama administration are all members of the International Socialists Party, and so are the other half of the court.
Of course .. the US was "created" more in line with the Federalists point of view .. not the communists, socialists, maost point of view of the left wing conspiracy that took over this nation back in 1933, and hasn't looked back since.
Fantasy is no substitute for historical documentation in a debate.
There's no way to refute it because no proof is offered.
