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3 years ago  ::  Oct 19, 2011 - 4:16PM #1
johndavid23
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Professor, Dr. Niels Harrit, from Max Planck/U of Copenhagen/Columbia finds thermite in WTC dust:
www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-ar...
" His analysis of the WTC dust has exposed the existence of advanced thermitic incendiaries, which adds to the overwhelming evidence that the Twin Towers and Building 7 were brought down by controlled demolition.
"His most influential peer-reviewed paper may very well be the milestone report on the WTC dust  “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe,” which was published in the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal in 2009.
"Nano-thermite, a significantly more powerful technology than conventional thermite, played a decisive role in bringing the WTC buildings down.
"The Twin Towers' destruction  exhibited all of the characteristics of destruction by explosives:

  1. Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration
  2. Improbable symmetry of debris distribution
  3. Extremely rapid onset of destruction
  4. Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes
  5. Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally
  6. Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking
  7. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
  8. 1200-foot-diameter debris field: no "pancaked" floors found
  9. Isolated explosive ejections 20–40 stories below demolition front
  10. Total building destruction: dismemberment of steel frame
  11. Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high-rises
  12. Evidence of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples
  13. Evidence of explosives found in dust samples


And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire."


Since this is peer-reviewed, published science, it cannot be relegated to "conspiracy theory'.  That is the status of the commonly accepted Bush-administration storyline.


 


Edit: video removed/disabled link

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 19, 2011 - 5:16PM #2
Ironhold
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Unless I missed something, only one of your links went back to anything even vaguely peer-related; the rest either went to YouTube or truther sites.


 


Why should we take you seriously?

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 19, 2011 - 5:43PM #3
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Well first the Bentham journal is NOT a major scientific publication and has been discontinued.  Second, there is rather elegant rebuttal of the article here:screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2009/05/re....

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 19, 2011 - 5:48PM #4
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Oct 19, 2011 -- 5:43PM, MysticWanderer wrote:


Well first the Bentham journal is NOT a major scientific publication and has been discontinued.  Second, there is rather elegant rebuttal of the article here:screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2009/05/re....





Thanks for the info.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2011 - 1:10AM #5
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Serendipitously enough, today i received the following in my inbox:
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While we were not watching, conspiracy theory has undergone Orwellian redefinition.

A “conspiracy theory” no longer means an event explained by a conspiracy.  Instead, it now means any explanation, or even a fact, that is out of step with the government’s explanation and that of its media pimps. 

For example, online news broadcasts of RT have been equated with conspiracy theories by the New York Times simply because RT reports news and opinions that the New York Times does not report and the US government does not endorse.

In other words, as truth becomes uncomfortable for government and its Ministry of Propaganda, truth is redefined as conspiracy theory, by which is meant an absurd and laughable explanation that we should ignore.

When piles of carefully researched books, released government documents, and testimony of eye witnesses made it clear that Oswald was not President John F. Kennedy’s assassin, the voluminous research, government documents, and verified testimony was dismissed as “conspiracy theory.” 

In other words, the truth of the event was unacceptable to the authorities and to the Ministry of Propaganda that represents the interests of authorities.

The purest example of how Americans are shielded from truth is the media’s (including many Internet sites’) response to the large number of professionals who find the official explanation of September 11, 2001, inconsistent with everything they, as experts, know about physics, chemistry, structural engineering, architecture, fires, structural damage, the piloting of airplanes, the security procedures of the United States, NORAD’s capabilities, air traffic control, airport security, and other matters.  These experts, numbering in the thousands, have been shouted down by know-nothings in the media  who brand the experts as “conspiracy theorists.” 

This despite the fact that the official explanation endorsed by the official media is the most extravagant conspiracy theory in human history. 

Let’s take a minute to re-acquaint ourselves with the official explanation, which is not regarded as a conspiracy theory despite the fact that it comprises an amazing conspiracy.  The official truth is that a handful of young Muslim Arabs who could not fly airplanes, mainly Saudi Arabians who came neither from Iraq nor from Afghanistan, outwitted not only the CIA and the FBI, but also all 16  US intelligence agencies and all intelligence agencies of US allies including Israel’s Mossad, which is believed to have penetrated every terrorist organization and which carries out assassinations of those whom Mossad marks as terrorists.

In addition to outwitting every intelligence agency of the United States and its allies, the handful of young Saudi Arabians outwitted the National Security Council, the State Department, NORAD, airport security four times in the same hour on the same morning,  air traffic control, caused the US Air Force to be unable to launch interceptor aircraft,  and caused three well-built steel-structured buildings, including one not hit by an airplane, to fail suddenly in a few seconds as a result of limited structural damage and small, short-lived, low-temperature fires that burned on a few floors.

The Saudi terrorists were even able to confound the laws of physics and cause WTC building seven to collapse at free fall speed for several seconds, a physical impossibility in the absence of explosives used in controlled demolition.

The story that the government and the media have told us amounts to a gigantic conspiracy, really a script for a James Bond film. Yet, anyone who doubts this improbable conspiracy theory is defined into irrelevance by the obedient media.

Anyone who believes an architect, structural engineer, or demolition expert who says that the videos show that the buildings are blowing up, not falling down, anyone who believes a Ph.D. physicist who says that the official explanation is inconsistent with known laws of physics, anyone who believes expert pilots who testify that non-pilots or poorly-qualified pilots cannot fly airplanes in such maneuvers, anyone who believes the 100 or more first responders who testify that they not only heard explosions in the towers but personally experienced explosions, anyone who believes University of Copenhagen nano-chemist Niels Harrit who reports finding unreacted nano-thermite in dust samples from the WTC towers, anyone who is convinced by experts instead of by propaganda is dismissed as a kook. 

In America today, and increasingly throughout the Western world, actual facts and true explanations have been relegated to the realm of kookiness.  Only people who believe lies are socially approved and accepted as patriotic citizens.

Indeed, a writer or newscaster is not even permitted to report the findings of 9/11 skeptics.  In other words, simply to report Professor Harrit’s findings now means that you endorse them or agree with them.  Everyone in the US print and TV media knows that he/she will be instantly fired if they report Harrit’s findings, even with a laugh. Thus, although Harrit has reported his findings on European television and has lectured widely on his findings in Canadian universities, the fact that he and the international scientific research team that he led found unreacted nano-thermite in the WTC dust and have offered samples to other scientists to examine has to my knowledge never been reported in the American media.

Even Internet sites on which I am among the readers’ favorites will not allow me to report on Harrit’s findings.

As I reported earlier, I myself had experience with a Huffington Post reporter who was keen to interview a Reagan presidential appointee who was in disagreement with the Republican wars in the Middle East.  After he published the interview that I provided at his request, he was terrified to learn that I had reported findings of 9/11 investigators.  To protect his career, he quickly inserted on the online interview that my views on the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions could be dismissed as I had reported unacceptable findings about 9/11.

The unwillingness or inability to entertain any view of 9/11 different from the official view dooms to impotence many Internet sites that are opposed to the wars and to the rise of the domestic US police state.  These sites, for whatever the reasons, accept the government’s explanation of 9/11; yet, they try to oppose the  “war on terror” and the police state which are the consequences of accepting the government’s explanation. Trying to oppose the consequences of an event whose explanation you accept is an impossible task.

If you believe that America was attacked by Muslim terrorists and is susceptible to future attacks, then a “war on terror” and a domestic police state to root out terrorists become necessary to make Americans safe. The idea that a domestic police state and open-ended war might be more dangerous threats to Americans than terrorists is an impermissible thought. 

A country whose population has been trained to accept the government’s word and to shun those who question it is a country without liberty in its future.

Paul Craig Roberts is a frequent contributor to Global Research.  Global Research Articles by Paul Craig Roberts
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i find it both sad and amusing simultaneously that so many knuckleheads blithely accept the gov't conspiracy theory, and dismiss all factual information out-of-hand which contradicts the blatant lies of the Official Gummint Story.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2011 - 9:41AM #6
Ironhold
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The purest example of how Americans are shielded from truth is the  media’s (including many Internet sites’) response to the large number of  professionals who find the official explanation of September 11, 2001,  inconsistent with everything they, as experts, know about physics,  chemistry, structural engineering, architecture, fires, structural  damage, the piloting of airplanes, the security procedures of the United  States, NORAD’s capabilities, air traffic control, airport security,  and other matters. These experts, numbering in the thousands, have been  shouted down by know-nothings in the media who brand the experts as  “conspiracy theorists.”



 


If these experts exist, then surely you can name names, right?

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2011 - 6:51PM #7
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Oct 20, 2011 -- 9:41AM, Ironhold wrote:


The purest example of how Americans are shielded from truth is the  media’s (including many Internet sites’) response to the large number of  professionals who find the official explanation of September 11, 2001,  inconsistent with everything they, as experts, know about physics,  chemistry, structural engineering, architecture, fires, structural  damage, the piloting of airplanes, the security procedures of the United  States, NORAD’s capabilities, air traffic control, airport security,  and other matters. These experts, numbering in the thousands, have been  shouted down by know-nothings in the media who brand the experts as  “conspiracy theorists.”



 


If these experts exist, then surely you can name names, right?




The names have been named, repeatedly, but whenever a discussion gets going, the thread gets moved to the 'conspiracies and theories' forum where it dies a quick death.


Nobody wants to have a factual discussion, nor be presented with facts. They would much rather hide their heads rectally and declare it all 'theories' or some such tripe.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2011 - 7:36PM #8
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The names have been named, repeatedly, but whenever a discussion gets going, the thread gets moved to the 'conspiracies and theories' forum where it dies a quick death.


Nobody wants to have a factual discussion, nor be presented with facts. They would much rather hide their heads rectally and declare it all 'theories' or some such tripe.


 


It is just too difficult to see how someone concocted  planes flying into buildings.


 Those  who are supposed to have done this, as opposed to  the official narrative,   have proved time and again that they don't need such convoluted excuses to do what they do.  They just invoque some  "national defense" crap and  invade.  Why would they go to such trouble  pretending  an attack? It is not like they need the people's permission to go to war.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2011 - 7:50PM #9
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I'm writing as an analytical inorganic chemist, which is what I became after retiring from the army, and still am. I'll leave this up for a while before moving it to the Conspiracy Theory forum where it belongs.


First of all, note the following, taken from Wikipedia in case anyone chooses not to believe me...


Thermite is a pyrotechnic composition of a metal powder and a metal oxide that produces an exothermic oxidation-reduction reaction known as a thermite reaction. If aluminium is the reducing agent it is called an aluminothermic reaction. Most varieties are not explosive, but can create short bursts of extremely high temperatures focused on a very small area for a short period of time. The thermite is simply a mixture of metal, often called the "fuel" and an oxidizer. Its form of action is very similar to other fuel-oxidizer mixtures like black powder.


Thermites can be a diverse class of compositions. Some "fuels" that can be used include aluminium, magnesium, calcium, titanium, zinc, silicon, and boron and others. One commonly-used fuel in thermite mixtures is aluminium, because of its high boiling point. The oxidizers can be boron(III) oxide, silicon(IV) oxide, chromium(III) oxide, manganese(IV) oxide, iron(III) oxide, iron(II,III) oxide, copper(II) oxide, and lead(II,III,IV) oxide and others.


There was a lot of metal in those buildings, to say the least. and given the combination of the high tempeatures due to the burning fuel, and the pressure due to the collapse, all sorts of chemical reactions took place, and some inevitably left residues which could be found from just about any oxidation-reduction (commonly called REDOX) reaction, to include reactions of the substances...note, PLURAL!!!...whose common term, thermite...WHICH is NOT a single substance...as a reading of the above information will show....!


I won't even pretend to have patience with this nonsense which is, and has been, and I suppose in all cases will be a case of a politically based opinion in search of data to support it, and having zero to do with the scientific method, sound science, or reality.


However, I'll keep my word and this may remain here until later tonight, at which time off to conspiracy theories it shall go. Anyone wishing to debate my decision should do so by private BNET e-mail, and NOT on this board...as per normal Beliefnet guidelines and rules.


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3 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2011 - 8:23PM #10
Father_Oblivion
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Ken, I am not a chemist, merely an engineer. But your explanation has holes big enough to fly those jets through.


You seriously propose that the exact proportions of nano-thermite (which is not the same as thermite, so your reference is misleading) can be found after a fire which encompasses burning fuel and plastic?


BTW, a better explanation of nano-thermite is available here:


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nano-thermite


 

The important thing to remember about American history is that it is fictional, a charcoal-sketched simplicity for the children or the easily bored. For the most part it is uninspected, unimagined, unthought, a representative of the thing and not the thing itself. It is a fine fiction...
Neil Gaiman
'American Gods'

‎"Ignorance of ignorance, then, is that self-satisfied state of unawareness in which man, knowing nothing outside the limited area of his physical senses, bumptiously declares there is nothing more to know! He who knows no life save the physical is merely ignorant; but he who declares physical life to be all-important and elevates it to the position of supreme reality--such a one is ignorant of his own ignorance."
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