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3 years ago  ::  Sep 29, 2011 - 8:33PM #1
Wanderingal
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This week PBS' science series "Nova"  is premiering two documentaries about the disasters that hit Japan this past spring--the earthquake(s), the tsunamis(s) and the nuclear plant disasters.

The two documentaries--produced by NHK Japan have incredible footage of the various disasters and the program both goes ino a lot of scentific detail to explain what happened minute b yminute and why--they also go into the human dimension of the earthquake and tsunami--how people reacted, what happened to them, how some were saved, how some were lost.

The entire two hours would be of possible interest to anyone who is interested--especially after our extensive discussons this past srping--in the scientific and/or economic and social and/or human dimensions of the events.

Much of the footage has never been seen before.

The documentaries are being run on both PBS HD channel as well as PBS World channel.

One doucumentary is titled "Japan's Killer Quake"


and rhe other one is titled ""Surviving the Tsunami."


They are both highly informative both in terms of scientific info and human reactons/devastation and economic consequences.


 


EDIT: added links


 

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 29, 2011 - 11:49PM #2
Wanderingal
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Star--thanks for the links, I don't know why my computer refuses to let me access that page--as I mentioned in my post.

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 30, 2011 - 12:19PM #3
Wanderingal
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I'll keep this near the top for a bit for anyone who might be interested in these amazing documentaries.

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 30, 2011 - 3:31PM #4
rangerken
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These two videos, linked to in the OP, are superb and well worth watching. They are, frankly, more than a little frightening.


Great thread and deserving of attention! This will undoubtably end up on the Enviromental Issues forum after it has run its course on Hot topics...perhaps also on World news & Politics. But for now, it definitely deserves our attention here even though it is no longer timely regarding the acytal earthquake and tsunami date in March. That is because the PBS programs that are linked didn't air until recently so they are indeed timely!


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3 years ago  ::  Sep 30, 2011 - 4:12PM #5
TemplarS
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I saw one of these- I believe it was "Surviving the Tsunami".


The live footage was frightening indeed.  


But one thing which struck me was this.  In spite of what must have be one of the most advanced tsunami warning systems around, and in spite of detailed response/evacuation plans:  


- People missed the warning.


- The effects were miscalculated (the water came far further inland in one area- Sendai plain, as I recall) than was thought possible.


- And serious mistakes were made.  A number of school children were moved from the third floor of their school to the ground floor gym, because it was thought the threat was over. Wrong: fortunately one parent saw the incoming water in time to move the kids back to safety.


 


When dealing with nature- no plans are foolproof.


 

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 30, 2011 - 4:48PM #6
Wanderingal
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Templar--I agree.


Even the town with the 30 foot concrete barrier couldn't stop the tsunami.....


I wonder that the Japanese still live on that terribly dangerous island chain between the earthquakes and the volcanoes and the tsunamis.


Imagine how many lives have been lost over rhe course of Japanese history.

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 30, 2011 - 5:21PM #7
TemplarS
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Sep 30, 2011 -- 4:48PM, Wanderingal wrote:


 


I wonder that the Japanese still live on that terribly dangerous island chain between the earthquakes and the volcanoes and the tsunamis.


 





 


People are like that.  They rebuilt San Francisco, didn't they, even though those people had a whole continent in which to relocate.  Anyhow, where would the Japanese go?

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 30, 2011 - 7:39PM #8
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The problem today with natural disasters is that with a growing population in areas prone to them we're going to see more and more similar tragedies. Now planning for how to deal with them is really a major responsibility for any govbernment. It will be instructive, I think, to follow how the Japanese handle this. They certainly have the history and experience, and to say the least the motivation. They also have the wherewithall to do it which is important.


Watching those videos causes one to think about how we/they would react to a similar disaster in our backyard.


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3 years ago  ::  Oct 01, 2011 - 4:24AM #9
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Sep 30, 2011 -- 5:21PM, TemplarS wrote:


Sep 30, 2011 -- 4:48PM, Wanderingal wrote:


 


I wonder that the Japanese still live on that terribly dangerous island chain between the earthquakes and the volcanoes and the tsunamis.




People are like that.  They rebuilt San Francisco, didn't they, even though those people had a whole continent in which to relocate.  Anyhow, where would the Japanese go?




Nowhere is as safe as we'd like, as we're all aware, but I agree that it does seem foolish to have rebuilt San Francisco when there was a vast territory with many safer areas for a city. But then, perhaps people didn't know that future catastrophic quakes were more likely than not there. We know so much more today about the conditions that result in more severe earthquakes in some places than others.  


Another similar issue in the U.S. is people building homes in areas that periodically are subject to disaster such as the areas prone to mudslides or wildfires in California. That is somewhat more foolish, I'd say, since the frequency of mudslides and wildfires is much greater than that of major earthquakes.


But much of what people do doesn't make a great deal of sense...



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3 years ago  ::  Oct 01, 2011 - 7:24PM #10
TemplarS
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Oct 1, 2011 -- 4:24AM, DotNotInOz wrote:


 


Nowhere is as safe as we'd like, as we're all aware, but I agree that it does seem foolish to have rebuilt San Francisco when there was a vast territory with many safer areas for a city. But then, perhaps people didn't know that future catastrophic quakes were more likely than not there. We know so much more today about the conditions that result in more severe earthquakes in some places than others.  


 





Quite the opposite; there had been a major quake in the Bay area 40 years before the '06 quake, and the area was known to be prone to quakes (a good read on the '06 quake is "A Crack in the Edge of the World" by Simon Winchester).  But as usual (see: global warming debate of the late 20th/early 21st century), economic interests prevailed.

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