Sep 22, 2011 -- 11:04AM, lope wrote:

Sep 21, 2011 -- 11:07PM, matica wrote:

So many replies, not enough time to respond to them all.....

You so called christians are still living within the time period Jesus did. You fail to take into account the way life was in that time period. You assume society today is a exact representation of what life was like 2000 years ago. Are all christians retarded? Or just the ones defending on this board?

You Christians might want to investigate the dicotomy of the (socialist) realm of Rome and thier control/allowance/coexistence with the Isrealites....esp when it came to health care.

Then you can research the dicotomy of the Isrealites within Roman rule, very much a socialist society IMO.

Fast forward to the 21 century and neither exist, yet christians still hold on to one society and have totally rejected the other aspect of society in the realm in which Jesus lived.

So if you want to pick and choose which aspects of allowance you choose to follow, then why not allow fathers to sell their daughters to other rich men, own slaves, stone children to death, etc. Jesus was a Isrealite, yet he never spoke out against these things, but somewhere he spoke against giving unto Ceasar what is Ceasars; somewhere where jesus taught the poor amongst you must die so the rich among you may become richer, and lastly where Jesus taught those who are incapable of contributing financialy to society must be done away with so the well to do are not burdend by these lazy people?

According to you the Christians who object to their government spending fourty percent more than it receives in taxes and pays $16 a piece for muffins for the Justice department are just heartless people who are against feeding hungry people.

Yet you have no problem paying a 200% mark-up on retail products when all the profits do is go directly into someone's pocket.

Sep 21, 2011 -- 7:42PM, Esdraelon wrote:

What's scarey is what some of these idiot socialists here are proposing.....no matter that a socialist government has ever succeeded, they always believe THEY can make it work if THEY just get the chance........

I don't know if I would go that far.  I just think they haven't examined the ramifications of their actions.  They see the immediate problem, and see that politicians are offering a solution for it.  I don't understand why people keep believing the politicians. 

all

Sep 21, 2011 -- 8:33PM, Esdraelon wrote:

Sep 21, 2011 -- 8:02PM, Ed.W wrote:

>>>All:  Everything we get from them means that they take something from us.  I  do not trust them, I never have.  This issue baffles me.

I have to say I agree with all of All's posts too. 

 

Based upon all's comment that the 'issue baffles him', why does it?...one simply needs to look at the reality that a varying portion of US citizens, anywhere from 42 to 47 percent in any given year, Do Not Pay Income Taxes. This being the case, is it any wonder that Obama still has about a 45-47% base and he only needs to tilt the middle for a 5-6% approval to give him a winning margin. That's Exactly the agenda of the Democrats and Socialists (actually that's redundant)..... the more people they can get completely dependent on government handouts, pretty soon there won't be any need for a presidential election....

That's what's scarey.

It baffles me that people keep expecting the government to solve all their problems, then complaining about them when they do, yet still persist in expecting government to solve all their problems.  It reminds me of Einsteins quote regarding insanity. 

all

Sep 22, 2011 -- 10:58AM, lope wrote:

Sep 22, 2011 -- 9:36AM, Iwantamotto wrote:

Do you seriously want to suggest the doctrinal foundations of the early Christian communities and the Soviet Union are comparable?

Are early Christian communities and the US comparable?  The US loves to spread the happy fairy tale of the poor beleaguered rich white guys getting out from under the Man, but let's face it:  they didn't want to pay their bills.  Nowadays, we return to calling that what it is:  tax evasion with guns.

Although I do not think Jesus would approve, I think there does come a time when one should refuse to pay the taxes as we did in the American Revolution.    I am very unhappy about any taxes I pay to a government that spends $16 for each muffin for the conferences at the Justice Department.

Or the whiskey rebellion.

Sep 22, 2011 -- 11:23AM, Kwinters wrote:

Yet you have no problem paying a 200% mark-up on retail products when all the profits do is go directly into someone's pocket.

 

I have a problem with that too.