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Japanese Academics Call for an End to Nuclear Plants in Japan
10 months ago  ::  Aug 28, 2011 - 1:21AM #37
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 18, 2011 - 4:49PM #36
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Also, many American nuke plants have the same poor design and the same age and compliance problems.  Many also sit along earthquake faults.

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 18, 2011 - 4:42PM #35
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Evidentaly these power plants were not fully compliant.  I just remembering a few days after the Tsunami how the people involved in the construction had raised serious concerns about the plans and how those plans were followed.


Some of the leadership was an american company and evidentaly several of those leaders walked away from the project many years ago because they felt they were not doing things as they needed to be done. 

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 18, 2011 - 12:07PM #34
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WG,


Here are some numbers on radiation leaked at Fukushima:


Fukushima Radiation Alarms Doctors | Common Dreams



"According to Dr Kodama, the total amount of radiation released over a period of more than five months from the ongoing Fukushima nuclear disaster is the equivalent to more than 29 "Hiroshima-type atomic bombs" and the amount of uranium released "is equivalent to 20" Hiroshima bombs."


 


"When on August 2nd readings of 10,000 millisieverts (10 sieverts) of radioactivity per hour were detected at the plant, Japan's science ministry said that level of dose is fatal to humans, and is enough radiation to kill a person within one to two weeks after the exposure."

"The operator of Japan's crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), that took the reading, used equipment to measure radiation from a distance, and was unable to ascertain the exact level because the device's maximum reading is only 10,000 mSv."

How many of you have a nuke in your "backyard"?

 

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 17, 2011 - 11:39PM #33
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Aug 17, 2011 -- 10:56PM, Lonesentinel wrote:

....I have backed up my statement -care to back up yours?


I did.

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 17, 2011 - 11:38PM #32
mountain_man
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Aug 17, 2011 -- 10:58PM, Lonesentinel wrote:

Google is your friend ....


And google, and other sites, agreed with all I said. Getting rid of nuclear power generation has absolutely NOTHING what so ever to do with nuclear medicine. Getting rid of one does not mean getting rid of the other.

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 17, 2011 - 11:01PM #31
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Aug 17, 2011 -- 9:22AM, Wanderingal wrote:


Aug 16, 2011 -- 4:51PM, Lonesentinel wrote:


Aug 16, 2011 -- 4:14PM, Wanderingal wrote:


LS--I hope this doesn't sound snarky because I don't mean for it to--but I suggest you read the Japanese earthqauke thread somewhere on this board because it details the ongoing contamination of a larer amount of Japan's soil and its people on a day by day basis.


From your insistence that there is some sort of "reason" in MEDICAL radioactive materials for why the Japanese OUGHT to stay with their nuclear plants in light of the horrendous consequences of those plafts is quite frankly unintelligible--


--unless you truly have no idea what they have gone through--and are continuing to go through in Japan because of their nuclear disaster.





If you read posts before I entered the conversation, the conversation was not contained to just Japan and the disaster that they are dealing with...





Hm--the topic of the thread is Japan...


but my points stand--HUGE difference between medical radiation and what Japan is going through now.


Such a complex situatiion in Japan that I sam going to start a new thread to deal with all the issues they are dealing with now.


But--can you address the issue at hand--why are you recommending nuclear energy for a country that has seen a good portion of its country ruined (for thousands of years) by its nuclear plant disasters?


 





umm... hmmm... Could you point out where I recommended nuclear energy to the Japanese specifically? 

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 17, 2011 - 10:58PM #30
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Aug 16, 2011 -- 10:10PM, mountain_man wrote:


Aug 16, 2011 -- 4:48PM, Lonesentinel wrote:

....I am simply argueing with that idea by relating what would be lost if the world followed such advice - as to completely rid the world of nuclear energy & the benefits it supplies.


There is no connection. You are confusing "nuclear energy" with nuclear power generation; the use of the heat given off by the fission of atoms to create steam to power a generator. That has no connection with nuclear medicine.


Wikipedia on nuclear medicine: Nuclear medicine is a branch or specialty of medicine and medical imaging that uses radionuclides and relies on the process of radioactive decay in the diagnosis and treatment of disease.


Two entirely different, unconnected, topics.




 


Google is your friend - if you let him be.  look up how any of these items are produced and you will see that most (I dont know one that is, but I could be wrong) are not produced 'naturally'.

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 17, 2011 - 10:56PM #29
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Aug 16, 2011 -- 10:04PM, mountain_man wrote:


Aug 16, 2011 -- 3:21PM, Lonesentinel wrote:

I can only hope that the idea of Nuclear Energy & the technologies we have gained through use of this energy is not cast away before we find alternatives to the many benefits it has given.....


Please don't try to conflate nuclear power production with nuclear medicine and other, safe, uses of nuclear materials. Nuclear power generation is expensive, wasteful, and very destructive to our environment. We can, and must, get rid of our nuclear power plants, but that doesn't mean we have to get rid of nuclear medicine. The two are entirely different topics.





?!?!?!


How do you think Molybdenum-99 is created?  Don't know this isotope? - Here is a link


 


Want to know a few other radioactive 'medicines' that are produced in nuclear reactors? Here is another link.


I have backed up my statement -care to back up yours?


 


 

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 17, 2011 - 6:59PM #28
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JD--hi. thanks for that report.


It goes along with what I heard today--and which I posted on my new "Japan Now and in the Future" thread.


I'd really like to see you post on that thread about the issues facing Japan and how they're handling those.


From what I heard today the government is  ot doing any better at facing the hard truths about the nuclear plants now than it was when it first happened.



What a terrible disservice they are doing to their citizens!


 

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