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2 years ago  ::  Sep 08, 2011 - 6:33PM #41
Erey
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Sep 8, 2011 -- 6:26PM, costrel wrote:


Sep 8, 2011 -- 3:03PM, Erey wrote:

well costrel if you don't want to talk about it I will respect that,   I can't respect your moral equivalency.


I didn't believe that the Almighty took sides, and I saw no reason why He should particarly favor the American Christians who were so eager to go to war out of revenge. And after separating myself from the world for some time, I concluded that God more than likely had no interest in interfering or intervening or taking sides in the affairs and the goings on of the fallen material world. You can't respect what you perceive to be my "moral equivalency," but I cannot respect those who would think that God would take sides and would favor and bless one nation or one government or one political cause or one civilization (i.e., the Americans, Al-Qaeda, the secular West, etc.) over another. That is essentially what the rhetoric on both sides was all about: who was God going to support and bless -- Al-Qaeda or the U.S.? Each side apparently thought that God was on its side. Yes, I'm sure that my ideas go against much of what one can find in the Hebrew Scriptures, the New Testament, and the Koran, but that's just how I saw things then and how I still see things now. And those are my final thoughts concerning this matter. 




So do you want to talk about it or not?  I am feeling provoked to discuss something that you have said you don't want to discuss

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2 years ago  ::  Sep 10, 2011 - 12:28PM #42
Mlyons619
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I was a substitute teacher living in San Ysidro, CA, at the time.  As it was early in the school year, teachers were not taking time out from their classes, so I had no job that day and was sleeping in.  I was awakened by my wife who had told me a the news was reporting a"small plane" had hit one of the Twin Towers in NYC.  I awoke and turned on the news to see an image of black smoke pouring out one of the towers, and, a few minutes later, to see the second 727 fly into the second tower.


My family remained glued to the TV, watching the two towers burning, the people jumping to their deaths and finally, one by one, the two towers pan-caking to the ground, and the people of New York ran to escape the smoke, debris, and ash of the collapsed twin Towers.


I had instantly realized with anger and fear that we  were soon to be at war with somebody.  Anger because, in my mind, this attack rivalled the shame of Pearl Harbor; fear because I had two sons near military age, and because our leader was the man who had shown how unready he was with the "deer-in-the-spotlight look while sitting in that elementary school library.  

"No freedom without education"
            --Thomas Jefferson
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2 years ago  ::  Sep 10, 2011 - 12:40PM #43
Noorakh
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in remembrance of 9/11 and in honor of the International Day of Peace

www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzoX7jhfuHo

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2 years ago  ::  Sep 10, 2011 - 8:50PM #44
NATAS
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Sep 8, 2011 -- 6:26PM, costrel wrote:


Sep 8, 2011 -- 3:03PM, Erey wrote:

well costrel if you don't want to talk about it I will respect that,   I can't respect your moral equivalency.


I didn't believe that the Almighty took sides, and I saw no reason why He should particarly favor the American Christians who were so eager to go to war out of revenge. And after separating myself from the world for some time, I concluded that God more than likely had no interest in interfering or intervening or taking sides in the affairs and the goings on of the fallen material world. You can't respect what you perceive to be my "moral equivalency," but I cannot respect those who would think that God would take sides and would favor and bless one nation or one government or one political cause or one civilization (i.e., the Americans, Al-Qaeda, the secular West, etc.) over another. That is essentially what the rhetoric on both sides was all about: who was God going to support and bless -- Al-Qaeda or the U.S.? Each side apparently thought that God was on its side. Yes, I'm sure that my ideas go against much of what one can find in the Hebrew Scriptures, the New Testament, and the Koran, but that's just how I saw things then and how I still see things now. And those are my final thoughts concerning this matter. 




According to your profile you are an atheist so you don't even think that there is an "Almighty-God". 


However I do agree that if God did exist She would be indifferent-neutral with regards to the affairs of human beings.  God like the Federation on Star Trek cannot or does not violate the Prime Directive aka no interference in the affairs of a civilization.  




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