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3 years ago  ::  May 31, 2011 - 7:01PM #171
Erey
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May 20, 2011 -- 11:23AM, shirleyj227 wrote:

















The French are bringing charges against the papers that have published DSK’s walk of shame. Says it all doesn’t it. Thank God in the good old US of A when an old lecher forces a woman  to taste his “little friend” he is made to feel shame.


 


Shirley


 




















Seriously?  Who are "the French" in this case?  DSKs party or who?

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3 years ago  ::  May 31, 2011 - 11:27PM #172
teilhard
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I believe the PROPER Term is --  ***ahem*** -- "Kiss The Purple-Helmeted Warrior" ...


May 20, 2011 -- 11:23AM, shirleyj227 wrote:


 


Thank God in the good old US of A when an old lecher forces a woman  to


taste his “little friend”


he is made to feel shame.


 


Shirley





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3 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2011 - 3:26PM #173
jane2
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May 31, 2011 -- 3:49AM, CharikIeia wrote:


May 28, 2011 -- 10:18PM, jane2 wrote:


The only European news I read is on the BBC online. I don't read German and my French is very rusted. The NYT sometimes has stories in its international section.



I see the NYT pieces (& what they publish as 'International Herald Tribune') as more accurate in a way than the BBC. The issue with the BBC is that despite its high standards, it has a penchant to overlook continental Europe. It is very much mired in the old British Empire (now Commonwealth) news channels. You are better informed about Canada, Australia, India, Jamaica, the Falkland Islands, than about France or Germany, when listening to the BBC. When you live in London (as I did for a while) you can easily forget that there is a rest of the world, actually... there's London, and there's the increasingly far periphery...


A fairly good English-language German news source are the English pages of Der Spiegel at www.spiegel.de/international by the way. A tad on the left by German standards, which may mean hopelessly leftist in US terms...


I don't think this is the time and place to discuss recent German history. But I hope you trust me a bit when I tell you that there has been quite an identity overhaul in Germany, after WW2.



I am sorry about your grandfathers. My dad was 33 when WWII began and was manufacturer's rep in a field that supported the war effort; he and my grandfather worked together and both were engineers. I do know about post-war Germany because we read about here when I was a student; international news was often discussed at our dinner table. Am I an expert--no.



Thank, Jane - and the very best we can offer is our own honest perspective. I don't think experts are more trustworthy. But there is a distinction between an opinion based on interest and an opinion based on disinterest, which I think is very important to make. More often than not, prejudice about other countries derives not from an interest and real information seeking, but from disinterest and post-hoc justification of stereotypes. That holds for Anti-Americanism over here as much as for Anti-Europeanism in your country.



I am a wee bit shanachie--Irish story-teller. My family thrives on story-telling.



I enjoy these posts of yours, also when I don't interfere with a thread. Thanks for being around, Jane! In a way, you positively prove the possibility of living a good life, eh? That's not always too clear when looking at the discussions here only..




Hi Chari


Thanks for the heads up  with the Spiegel url. You are right about the BBC online not covering much about continental Europe. I am truly interested in that news.

"But there is a distinction between an opinion based on interest and an opinion based on disinterest, which I think is very important to make. More often than not, prejudice about other countries derives not from an interest and real information seeking, but from disinterest and post-hoc justification of stereotypes. That holds for Anti-Americanism over here as much as for Anti-Europeanism in your country"


More than a little truth in this. Fox News here disembles as a matter of practice. My network of choice here is NBC because they, overall, have the best reporters. For me ABC and CBS here are fluff-meisters in the main. Withthe internetat least we can get some news from overseas sources.


My life as an American has been a good one and I do give thanks. I do admire the social nets found in many Western European democracies and would support much of the same here.


Jane


 

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3 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2011 - 6:52PM #174
IDBC
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Howdy


abcnews.go.com/US/egyptian-banker-mahmou...


Another person unjustly humiliated by the sensationialist press. 


 

HAVE A THINKING DAY MAY REASON GUIDE YOU
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3 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2011 - 7:10PM #175
CharikIeia
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May 31, 2011 -- 11:27PM, teilhard wrote:


Kiss The Purple-Helmeted Warrior



You have this penchant to always inject Catholic clergy in these discussion here...


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3 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2011 - 8:55PM #176
REteach
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May 31, 2011 -- 4:55PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


The DSK matter has fallen off the radar here, which is usual for criminal cases. 



Actually there was an article in this week's Newsweek. The gist being that they are gathering more evidence all the time.


A bigger question is whether the maid might prefer a big civil award (which DSK would probably prefer to a criminal conviction too).  

I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard was not what I meant...
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3 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2011 - 9:07PM #177
REteach
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Le Monde also seems to be thinking that maybe they French have ignored the sexual misadventures of their rich and powerful more than they should. 

I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard was not what I meant...
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3 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2011 - 4:34AM #178
CharikIeia
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Jun 1, 2011 -- 9:07PM, REteach wrote:


Le Monde also seems to be thinking that maybe they French have ignored the sexual misadventures of their rich and powerful more than they should. 



That's not really news, over here.


That Le Monde muses this way is just the usual line.


You're aware of it, but that won't change a bit.

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3 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2011 - 10:53AM #179
Erey
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Jun 1, 2011 -- 9:07PM, REteach wrote:


Le Monde also seems to be thinking that maybe they French have ignored the sexual misadventures of their rich and powerful more than they should. 





Well I have to think a man does not in one day go from being a charming seducer of willing women to attacking a complete stranger, seemingly without thought.


Chances are overwhelming he did this many times before.  And I hate to say given the immediate reaction of the French it appears to me that the society is hostile to anyone reporting on their rich and powerful.

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3 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2011 - 10:57AM #180
CharikIeia
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Jun 2, 2011 -- 10:53AM, Erey wrote:


 And I hate to say given the immediate reaction of the French it appears to me that the society is hostile to anyone reporting on their rich and powerful.



I guess it's explainable by the hypocrite disinterest of US media in French rich & powerful, UNLESS they can report negative news... Be honest, Erey: did you know the name Strauss-Kahn before this?

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