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3 years ago  ::  May 03, 2011 - 1:00AM #1
rangerken
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The Conservatives in Canada at last won an outright victory, giving them control of parliment fo the next, four years.

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This is excellent news in my opinion, and indicative of a rising conservative tide in Western nations. hopefully, we Americans will continue the same way in 2012.

Ken

PS. this is also going on World News & Politics

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3 years ago  ::  May 03, 2011 - 1:06AM #2
mountain_man
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If Canadian conservatives are anything like ours, this is not good news.

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3 years ago  ::  May 03, 2011 - 2:55AM #3
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I wouldn't celebrate too quickly. "Conservative" by Canadian standards would be "centre-left" by American ones.


And while there may be a rising tide of conservatism in the western world (and I think that's pushing it, given that social standards generally seem to be becoming more liberal), it's obviously skipped England because a year after winning power from a widely-disliked Labour government, David Comeron's ConDem government is about as popular as the clap at the Playboy mansion. If Cameron took a stroll through many working class areas these days, he'd never be seen alive again.

He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God. ~ Proverbs 14:31

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3 years ago  ::  May 03, 2011 - 6:43AM #4
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May 3, 2011 -- 2:55AM, Ebon wrote:


I wouldn't celebrate too quickly. "Conservative" by Canadian standards would be "centre-left" by American ones.


And while there may be a rising tide of conservatism in the western world (and I think that's pushing it, given that social standards generally seem to be becoming more liberal), it's obviously skipped England because a year after winning power from a widely-disliked Labour government, David Comeron's ConDem government is about as popular as the clap at the Playboy mansion. If Cameron took a stroll through many working class areas these days, he'd never be seen alive again.




 


>>>>> lol


For many years American conservatives have been good at shouting and making national issues of "Private matters" [Clintons know this very well]. When they were at office for last two terms they have adopted a policy to borrow and spend (Mostly on unnecessary wars) America's future.


 


This time they are going after the president by saying they are going to balance budget without adding any taxes. Well president Obama should let them follow their absurd theory and they will be as popular as Cameron.


 


They prefer nut jobs in Tea party and George Bush over a smart guy like Obama [ Because of his funny name?]. This shows they have lost it. Obama proved it by getting Bin Laden without killing bunch of innocent civilians.


 


If conservatives prefer another dumb guy again for next election, it will be Bin Laden's dream day.




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3 years ago  ::  May 04, 2011 - 2:40AM #5
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I think it's good news, better than a minority and way better than any of the other parties getting into power... a potential receipe for economic disaster.


We've got a relatively solid economy, for a number of reasons, including natural resources, conservative banking laws and practices, and a government that is averse to wasting money. All good.


The Liberals are a tax and spend party with an arrogant assumption of 'right to rule', and they've been mindlessly casting about for the last seven years looking for the magic trick to getting back into power. Micheal Ignatieff, reimported after 25 years out of the country didn't do the trick.


The NDP has a stunning talent for running up deficits, and the less said about the other parties the better.


I'd classify the Conservatives as centre-right, where the US Democratic Party would be right to far right, and Republicans would be far right to extreme right.


Remember they were formed by the merger of a right wing party (Reform) and a centre-left party (Progressive Conservative), shedding some member from each extreme along the way.


 

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3 years ago  ::  May 04, 2011 - 2:48AM #6
d_p_m
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In some senses the most exciting things about the election were less the Conservative majority (that's happened before) but the worst defeat of the Liberals in 41 general elections going back to Confederation. This is the first time they have been neither the government nor the official opposition.


The other is the almost total destruction of the Bloc Quebecois, the federal separatist party, which went from 47 seats to 4.


Prime Minister Harper's intention to remove the per vote subsidy to political parties will probably complete the job, as the Bloc is reported to be almost totally funded out of that silly idea.

"If you aren't confused by quantum physics, you haven't really understood it."

― Niels Bohr



"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."

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3 years ago  ::  May 04, 2011 - 7:10AM #7
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May 3, 2011 -- 2:55AM, Ebon wrote:

I wouldn't celebrate too quickly. "Conservative" by Canadian standards would be "centre-left" by American ones.


I also question what is meant by conservatism and conservative. According to Michael Denning in The Cultural Front (his book-length study on the laboring of American culture during the Great Depression) conservatism is "a deep committment to tradition, family, and religion" (page 504).


A deep committment to tradition reminds me of Daniel Webster's committment to the American tradition of slavery present in the Constitution, when he stated, "Because it was part of the original compact, - let it stand" (as quoted in Thoreau's "Civil-Disobedience").


A deep committment to family reminds me of the resistance to gay marriage, gay adoption, the use of contraception and birth control, abortion, and divorce here in the U.S. -- for instance, the conservativism of those Catholics who agree with Dorothy Day's assertion that "birth control and abortion are genocide" and the conservatism of those Christian politicians, including John Thune and Kristi Noem of South Dakota, who support a constitutional amendment that would ban same-sex marriage.


A deep committment to religion reminds me of the continual battle to make Intelligent Design Theory and Young Earth Creationism part of the content standards of  U.S. public school science courses, as well as the political use of religion to define marriage, to identify environmentalism as a contemporary anti-Christian idolatry, and a host of other uses.


Oxford Dictionaries Online defines conservatism as "holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion." Not all changes and innovations are good and beneficial, but many times, change and innovation are better than adhering to traditional attitudes and values.

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3 years ago  ::  May 04, 2011 - 8:52AM #8
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Notice, even the conservatives in Canada are smart enough not to screw around and try to mess up a workable national health care system.

Democrats think the glass is half full.
Republicans think the glass is theirs.
Libertarians want to break the glass, because they think a conspiracy created it.
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3 years ago  ::  May 04, 2011 - 10:13PM #9
mountain_man
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May 3, 2011 -- 2:55AM, Ebon wrote:

I wouldn't celebrate too quickly. "Conservative" by Canadian standards would be "centre-left" by American ones.


That's good. I didn't think the Canadians were naive enough to elect American style "conservatives." They can see the damage that the American "conservatives" have done to the world and I'm sure they don't want to encourage that kind of behavior.

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3 years ago  ::  May 04, 2011 - 10:15PM #10
mountain_man
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May 4, 2011 -- 2:40AM, d_p_m wrote:

...The Liberals are a tax and spend party...


That's right. We get the money and then spend it. The "conservatives" just spend and spend and spend and spend.....


...with an arrogant assumption of 'right to rule'...


Actually, you got that backwards.

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