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2 years ago  ::  Aug 30, 2011 - 12:44PM #371
rocketjsquirell
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JASTOR


In the minds of the Israel bashers and humanitarians the desire of Islamic extremist groups to kill Christians is all the fault of Israel. If Israel did not exist then the extremists would not want to kill the Christians. The mere fact that the extremists had been killing Christians for centuries before the re-establishment of the State of Israel is, of course, unimportant. 


(I meant to write one not on. Sorry) 

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2 years ago  ::  Aug 30, 2011 - 1:27PM #372
SherriMunnerlyn
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The Boycott Movement in Israel/Palestine is a Christian Movement, with Christians all over the world, and in the Middle East involved with it. The Boycott is Jesus teachings lived out and applied in the land where He lived as a man, and when I see people of all different backgrounds and religions embracing the Boycott Movement I see Jesus teachings ALIVE AND I feel so Blessed to see all of this happening in Palestine. THe fate of Christians in the Middle East is to glorify God with their lives and spread the teachings of Jesus throughout the land, as they are doing in Palestine. And I just found a news aticle demonstrating how Kairos Palestine is being received, it is being taught in Palestinian schools. THis shows the unity between Palestinians, Christian and Muslim. www.pacbi.org/etemplate.php?id=1636 Sherri
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 30, 2011 - 2:14PM #373
SherriMunnerlyn
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Aug 30, 2011 -- 9:38AM, habesor wrote:


Sherri,


Historically speaking you are not the first to call upon Christians to boycott Jewish owned business concerns. In every case the claim was made that the Jews were evil or in violation of some law or principle. Indeed, on another thread here on B-net, it has been asserted that Saint  Qaddafi's regime is in trouble mainly because the Rothschild banking family are angry with him for being so kind to the Libyan people. Sherri, given the unfortunate historic relationship between the Christian Church and the Jewish people, I find it rather unseemly that someone should be calling for a boycott of Jews, the Jewish people or the Jewish state in the name of Christianity. It recalls the Christian-Jewish situation of the not so good old days. 


Habesor 



Habesor, The Boycott is directly based on opposing unjust actions inherent in the Occupation. It is what people of conscience do, oppose injustice. There has been so much interaction between Christians in Palestine and Christians in South Africa, that brings up the similarities between Apartheid  in South Africa and Apartheid in Palestine. Sherri

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2 years ago  ::  Aug 30, 2011 - 2:53PM #374
JAstor
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Aug 30, 2011 -- 9:38AM, habesor wrote:


Sherri,


Historically speaking you are not the first to call upon Christians to boycott Jewish owned business concerns. In every case the claim was made that the Jews were evil or in violation of some law or principle. Indeed, on another thread here on B-net, it has been asserted that Saint  Qaddafi's regime is in trouble mainly because the Rothschild banking family are angry with him for being so kind to the Libyan people. Sherri, given the unfortunate historic relationship between the Christian Church and the Jewish people, I find it rather unseemly that someone should be calling for a boycott of Jews, the Jewish people or the Jewish state in the name of Christianity. It recalls the Christian-Jewish situation of the not so good old days. 


Habesor 




The ones who put swastikas up on Jewish-owned stores never saw -- and never see -- themselves as doing anything wrong. To the contrary, their actions were of the highest ethical order. 


The thing about hatred is that it does not see itself. It does not see itself as hatred. And it does not see itself... period.

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2 years ago  ::  Aug 30, 2011 - 4:34PM #375
rocketjsquirell
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Sherri


You know very little about the actual teachings of Jesus. One of the things he did not advocate was discrimination against Jews. Another thing he did not advocate was the destruction of the Jewish national homeland. Sadly, you do both of those things.


Question:


WWJD?


Answer:


Mostly exactly the opposite of anything you think of.

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2 years ago  ::  Aug 30, 2011 - 5:38PM #376
JAstor
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Aug 30, 2011 -- 4:34PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


Sherri


You know very little about the actual teachings of Jesus. One of the things he did not advocate was discrimination against Jews. Another thing he did not advocate was the destruction of the Jewish national homeland. Sadly, you do both of those things.




Excellent points.

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2 years ago  ::  Aug 30, 2011 - 9:28PM #377
SherriMunnerlyn
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Opposing and confronting injustice is not hatred and it is what Christians are called to do in the Middle East and everywhere and it is the fate of Christians in the Middl East, tying my comments directly to this thread. There is no present day written document I have read that more clearly addresses the obligations of Christians and how they should respond to the injustices of the  Israeli Palestinian conflict than the document entitled Kairos Palestine. Sherri
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2 years ago  ::  Aug 30, 2011 - 10:31PM #378
LeahOne
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That document is an obscenity.  It's also in complete opposition to every UN resolution passed on the subject.


Jerusalem is not "Palestinian" and there is no justice in claiming so.

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2 years ago  ::  Aug 30, 2011 - 10:48PM #379
SherriMunnerlyn
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Aug 30, 2011 -- 10:31PM, LeahOne wrote:


That document is an obscenity.  It's also in complete opposition to every UN resolution passed on the subject.


Jerusalem is not "Palestinian" and there is no justice in claiming so.




LeahOne, I am not surprised by your coments, they simply are a reflection of the inability of some to accept uncomfortable truths. And the fact you do not address specific language and address your comments to language written in the document says a whole lot, too. Man's responsibility to oppose injustice  and respect for basic human rights of all are some of the themes that stand out to me. And I do not see any lack of respect for intl law or UN Resolutions. It is Israel who has violated more UN Resolutions than any nation in our world. Sherri  

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2 years ago  ::  Aug 30, 2011 - 11:30PM #380
habesor
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Sherri,


The Kairos document has not been received by all Christians with as much enthusiasm or lack of critique as it has by you. The following is the response of a Christian group called Christians for Fair Witness on the Middle East, which, among other things, works to bring peace between Jews and Arabs. In part their response reads:


The Kairos Palestine document was written by Palestinian Christians. It is their narrative, their truth and they rightfully express it.


  • But U.S. Churches cannot adopt this narrative without bringing a critical eye and ear to bear upon it and without similarly listening to an Israeli narrative which also has its truth.

The Kairos Palestine document calls the Israeli occupation a sin that must be removed. (Sec. 4.2.1) We agree . . .


  • The occupation has had a corrosive effect on the lives of both Palestinians and Israelis. One people should never rule over or dominate another. 


The Kairos Palestine document states that “[the Palestinian] connectedness to this land is a natural right.” (Sec. 2.3.4) We agree . . .


  • But the Jewish connectedness to the land is also a natural right. Both Jews and Palestinians have legitimate claims to the land which can and must be accommodated through a negotiated two-state solution. 


The Kairos Palestine document professes that “an end to Israeli occupation . . . will guarantee security and peace for all.” (Sec. 7) . . . But is that true?


  • There was no security or peace prior to the occupation. During the British Mandate period, Arabs responded to Jewish immigration with violent attacks.


  • More violence broke out after the November 29, 1947 U.N. partition plan which separated the British Mandate into two states, one Jewish and one Arab. Increasingly violent attacks by Arabs against Jews were followed by violent Jewish reprisals. This was twenty years before the occupation and prior to the creation of the state of Israel.


  • One day after Israel declared independence, five Arab states attacked the new Jewish state. The 1948/49 war ended with Armistice Agreements. But there was no peace. All of Israel’s borders were closed and every Arab country boycotted Israel. Hundreds of Israelis were killed and wounded in terror attacks launched mostly from bases in Jordan and the Syrian Golan Heights.


  • In 1964 — three years before the occupation — the Palestine Liberation Organization was founded. The PLO established a Palestine Liberation Army in order “to attain the objective of liquidating Israel.”


  • There is no reason to believe that ending the occupation alone would bring security and peace to Israel and Palestine.


     


    The entire response can be found at:


    www.ccjr.us/dialogika-resources/themes-i... 


    Sherri, I would suggest that you read it and compare it to your own stand on this conflict. Perhaps then you will understand why some poeple think that you are being less trhan Christian in your attitudes. 


    The site for Christians for fair witness on the Middle East is:


    www.christianfairwitness.com/ 


    You might want to take a look at that site as well.


    Habesor


     


     

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