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2 years ago  ::  Apr 21, 2011 - 3:11PM #51
teilhard
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But, see ... That was a "Jewish" Baby ...


Apr 21, 2011 -- 2:42PM, LeahOne wrote:


Sherri, I am shocked and dismayed that as a lawyer you appear unable to recognize the difference between 'involuntary manslaughter' via munitions gone astray - and the deliberate planned premeditated first degree murder ofinvading a home and seeking out an infant in her crib and cutting off her head.
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 21, 2011 - 3:22PM #52
SherriMunnerlyn
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Over 300 children killed in Cast Lead by the IDF, each child's life with as much value to God as that one child killed you addressed. Their deaths were as deliberately caused as that baby's death was. No difference at all, none whatsoever. Slaughtering children has no morality in it, there is no justification for it. Sherri
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 21, 2011 - 3:32PM #53
Mlyons619
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THOSE deaths you can put on the head of the  DAMNED HAMAS GOVERNMENT who chose to (1) Use Gaza to launch rocket and missile attacks into Istraeli communities, (2) Hide their illegal munitions in tunnels UNDER Gazan communities in CLAER violation of international law, and (3) Use Gazan homes, apartments, hiospitals and the like to engage IDF.


You claim to know International law, Sherryl.  So how come you're quiet when I point to CLEAR VIOLATIONS of the International Laws of War that HAMAS has committed.  Swelective blindness, or deliberate ignorance?


Again, how you are able to swallow the lie that unintended civilian casualties are as bad if not worse THAN THE DELIBERATE MURDER OF A FAMILY IN BED tells a story.  It's relativism at its worst. It's in fact a PROPAGANDIST LIE.   It's not a good one, sherryl. 

Moderated by rangerken on Apr 21, 2011 - 06:10PM
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 21, 2011 - 4:00PM #54
SherriMunnerlyn
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LeahOne, Indiscriminate attacks on civilians, the disproportinate use of force, some flat out direct deliberate attacks, these are war crimes under the Fourth Geneva Convention. Human rights groups investigated and documented it all. I will get links and post later. Btselem identifies each child killed by name and age and provides details of deaths. Sherri
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 21, 2011 - 4:06PM #55
Mlyons619
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And the use of a community to hide munitions, or to emplace forces to attack an army, are in violation of the Hague Conventions on Land warfare of 1907.  Again, if communities are to enjoy the protection against bombardment, there can be no weapons of war emplaced there.


Again, this is not an aggressiove assault of an innocent community.  This is in DIRECT response to an illegal attack of of a community.


So your so-called knowledge of international law is both selevtive and incomplete.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 21, 2011 - 4:07PM #56
arielg
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THOSE deaths you can put on the head of the DAMNED HAMAS GOVERNMENT who chose to (1) Use Gaza to launch rocket and missile attacks into Istraeli communities, (2) Hide their illegal munitions in tunnels UNDER Gazan communities in CLAER violation of international law, and (3) Use Gazan homes, apartments, hiospitals and the like to engage IDF


 


Yeah, right.  Criminals don't kill people.  It's their parents, society, etc. who are  to blame, right? 


They made him what he is. Jeezzzz....

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 21, 2011 - 4:11PM #57
Mlyons619
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And what was that supposed to mean?  Another well thought-out response.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 21, 2011 - 4:12PM #58
SherriMunnerlyn
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LeahOne, If someone wronged me and I could go out and kill their children and then assert as a legal defense they are responsible for the deaths of their own children, what kind of justice system would we have? The IDF killed those children in Gaza during Cast Lead, over 300 lives lost, and noone but the IDF bears responsibility for those kilings that were illegal under intl law. Sherri
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 21, 2011 - 4:15PM #59
Mlyons619
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Your rationalization is bull crap, and your argument is a lie, sherryl.  The IDF did NOT set out to kill any children.  Even the author of the Goldstone Report has (belatedly) recognized that.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 21, 2011 - 4:28PM #60
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I thought that the following article had some interesting points concerning the future of a Palestinian State. In particular it notes that the advances in the economy of the PA was largely due to the PA's cooperation with Israel. Obviously a hostile act, such as unilateral declaration of Statehood and unilateral delineation of boundaries by the PA or a similar move by the UNGA would undermine that cooperation and would therefore weaken any chance of success for such a Palestinian State. 


Additionally, the article points out that the PA has made comparatively  very little progress  in the establishment of social  and political underpinnings of a future State. 


Let me know what you think.

Is the Palestinian Authority Ready for Statehood?

By Patrick Clawson and Michael Singh
April 20, 2011


At  the April 13 meeting of the West Bank/Gaza donors group known as the Ad  Hoc Liaison Committee, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World  Bank presented reports arguing that the Palestinians are ready for  statehood. Yet that judgment requires three important caveats. First, it  depends on future Israel-Palestinian cooperation; second, it is  contingent on Gaza's return to Palestinian Authority (PA) control; and  third, it does not take into account the PA's broader political  readiness for statehood, which continues to lag.


full article:


www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC05....
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