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2 years ago  ::  Mar 26, 2011 - 4:40PM #41
mytmouse57
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Mar 26, 2011 -- 12:49PM, fodaoson wrote:



Paravani posts” In general, I've found the majority of tourists and expatriates from anywhere else in the world to be warm, friendly, and charming, whether they spoke a great deal of English or not.  I've never met any others as pushy and rude as the Germans were.



 


 I take it you never came in contact with American overseas.  I have traveled  in Europe, Mexico, and Japan  And Americans are the loud ,pushy and mono-linguists





Not to mention, the fattest.

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 26, 2011 - 4:42PM #42
mytmouse57
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Mar 24, 2011 -- 10:15AM, Ebon wrote:


Mar 23, 2011 -- 10:57PM, mytmouse57 wrote:

Well, the last time Germany took a swing to the political right...



Merkel and her collegues are nowhere near that far to the right. They're fairly respectable centre-right conservatives (by Euro standards; in the US, they'd be wooly liberals). The German people are very aware of their nation's history and possibly more likely to revolt than we are if things start going in that direction again.





Thanks for pointing that out. That's good to know.

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 26, 2011 - 5:13PM #43
Paravani
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Mar 26, 2011 -- 4:40PM, mytmouse57 wrote:

Mar 26, 2011 -- 12:49PM, fodaoson wrote:

I take it you never came in contact with American overseas.  I have traveled  in Europe, Mexico, and Japan  And Americans are the loud ,pushy and mono-linguists


Not to mention, the fattest.



Hi, All!


...  Yup...  Especially since 1993, when our Food and Drug Administration okayed the use of hormones to fatten our beef before slaughter.


I gained 50 pounds (~23K) that year.  Turns out that the hormones aren't destroyed by cooking.


:-(


I'm so jealous that you guys get to eat real food!


Love,


-- Claudia

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2011 - 1:24PM #44
CharikIeia
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Mar 26, 2011 -- 4:16PM, Paravani wrote:


I would love to be proven wrong...



As you speak German, I would think it is easy for you to find out. I do not see how you would need my help here. If this love is there, couldn't you go & find out for yourself?


What exactly is the kind of proof that you'd accept as proof? Not what I mentioned in #16, it appears - what else? Could you give  hint?


I am not eager to act as a spokesperson for my nation, but for lack of alternatives in this little social world here, I may need to.

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2011 - 1:49PM #45
fodaoson
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Mar 26, 2011 -- 5:13PM, Paravani wrote:


Mar 26, 2011 -- 4:40PM, mytmouse57 wrote:

Mar 26, 2011 -- 12:49PM, fodaoson wrote:

I take it you never came in contact with American overseas.  I have traveled  in Europe, Mexico, and Japan  And Americans are the loud ,pushy and mono-linguists


Not to mention, the fattest.



Hi, All!


...  Yup...  Especially since 1993, when our Food and Drug Administration okayed the use of hormones to fatten our beef before slaughter.


I gained 50 pounds (~23K) that year.  Turns out that the hormones aren't destroyed by cooking.


:-(


I'm so jealous that you guys get to eat real food!


Love,


-- Claudia






 Just in case you misunderstood, I am an American and currently living in Texas. Here is a little information on hormones in Beef and other “natural “ foods, an area of apparent misunderstanding


www.beefmyths.org/beefmyths/cattlegrowth...

“I seldom make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.” Edward Gibbon
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2 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2011 - 10:42PM #46
jane2
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Mar 26, 2011 -- 3:25PM, solfeggio wrote:


I have to agree with Fodaoson that my experience with Americans has been that they really are 'loud' to the extent that, when the cruise ships come into port, and the rich American tourists start to stream off and into the city, you can actually hear them coming a mile away (or so it seems)!


And, yes, they might qualify as pushy, although I don't think they think of themselves in this way.  It's more like: Hey!  I'm a Yank and proud of it!


But this is probably why there seems to be such a great difference between Kiwis and Yanks.  Because the typical Kiwi is quite the opposite and falls over backward to be overly polite, tactful, and deferential.  It has something to do with the national character. 


Canadians just hate to ever be confused with Americans.  So, when we hear the familiar North American accent in the shop where I work, and we happen to get into a conversation with him or her, we always first ask if the person is Canadian.  If the person is American, there's no problem.  But, if you ask a Canadian if s/he is American, you're in for trouble!


On the other hand, Brits, Irish, and Scots tend to be outgoing and gregarious.  They love to talk, and of course there is no danger of mistaking them for Americans.


I think it's all kind of silly.


 




Solf


People who go on cruises are often a strange lot--rather lazy overall. When we vacationed in the Carribbean we would never be where and when cruise passengers docked.


I learned early in life that Canada is a sovereign country; I grew up about 200 miles from Montreal. In these times we Americans tend to be much kinder to Canadians than they often are to us. There is a resentment among certain Canadians I don't fathom, but my younger daughter runs into it in California.


Many well-travelled Americans are not loud-mouthed rubes and you know it.


Our Brit, Irish, and yes even our French allies welcome us. A story--when we were staying in a London hotel our 3-y-o daughter wanted to run up and down the luggage ramp and we halted her. The doorman told us it was okay, that all the youngsters did. In London when we took the family for dinner at Simpson's in the Strand the captain sat and talked with our 3 children for twenty minutes. In Italy the small staff at a restaurant across from Trevi Fountain brought the children fruit before dinner. Our children, then 3, 7 and 8, were entranced when we took them to a small audience with Pope Paul VI.


You are very sour on Americans at this point. C'est la vie.



 

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 28, 2011 - 5:38AM #47
CharikIeia
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Mar 27, 2011 -- 10:42PM, jane2 wrote:


A story--when we were staying in a London hotel our 3-y-o daughter wanted to run up and down the luggage ramp and we halted her. The doorman told us it was okay, that all the youngsters did. In London when we took the family for dinner at Simpson's in the Strand the captain sat and talked with our 3 children for twenty minutes. In Italy the small staff at a restaurant across from Trevi Fountain brought the children fruit before dinner. Our children, then 3, 7 and 8, were entranced when we took them to a small audience with Pope Paul VI.



What a rich life, Jane!


Also a story from me. Returning from a bike tour I did with my cousin in the early 1990s, which had taken us through the Île de France's major gothic cathedral cities (Chartres, Reims, Noyon, Senlis, Soissons, Saint-Denis, ...), we shared the train compartment from Paris to Berlin with a young couple from the US who spent their honeymoon in Europe. They were very insecure after a three-day Paris experience, where they had run into all sorts of language difficulties. They expected better on their next stops in Germany, and we tried to explain the cultural differences between Germany and France a bit. These two persons came across as a tad too naïve and unexperienced for European traveller standards, but very sensitive and open-minded. Still, they seemed to expect the English language to safely carry them all over the world... Well. I am quite confident that their expectations about being understood when speaking English in Germany were met. And, maybe to add this: as of today, I would think that also France is no major language obstacle to English speakers any more. I think...

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 28, 2011 - 9:25AM #48
Ironhold
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If we want to be talking about negative experiences with foreigners, how about giving me room to knock the French?


The one Frenchman I ever had dealings with was a troll of a person who was pig ignorant about America but insisted upon making snide remarks anyway, and there's a certain French-Canadian I sometimes deal with who is similarly inclined to be a jerk (although in his case, he thinks it's funny whenever he disrupts conversations or makes homoerotic jokes at the expense of others).


Guess that means everyone who is French or considers themself French is a jerk, right?


After all, that's the standard that certain people here in this thread seem to be using against both Americans and Germans: judge the many by the antics of the few.


 


 


And for the record, I've got German on both sides of the family; my maternal grandmother was actually a war bride.

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 28, 2011 - 2:42PM #49
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Mar 28, 2011 -- 5:38AM, CharikIeia wrote:


Mar 27, 2011 -- 10:42PM, jane2 wrote:


A story--when we were staying in a London hotel our 3-y-o daughter wanted to run up and down the luggage ramp and we halted her. The doorman told us it was okay, that all the youngsters did. In London when we took the family for dinner at Simpson's in the Strand the captain sat and talked with our 3 children for twenty minutes. In Italy the small staff at a restaurant across from Trevi Fountain brought the children fruit before dinner. Our children, then 3, 7 and 8, were entranced when we took them to a small audience with Pope Paul VI.



What a rich life, Jane!


Also a story from me. Returning from a bike tour I did with my cousin in the early 1990s, which had taken us through the Île de France's major gothic cathedral cities (Chartres, Reims, Noyon, Senlis, Soissons, Saint-Denis, ...), we shared the train compartment from Paris to Berlin with a young couple from the US who spent their honeymoon in Europe. They were very insecure after a three-day Paris experience, where they had run into all sorts of language difficulties. They expected better on their next stops in Germany, and we tried to explain the cultural differences between Germany and France a bit. These two persons came across as a tad too naïve and unexperienced for European traveller standards, but very sensitive and open-minded. Still, they seemed to expect the English language to safely carry them all over the world... Well. I am quite confident that their expectations about being understood when speaking English in Germany were met. And, maybe to add this: as of today, I would think that also France is no major language obstacle to English speakers any more. I think...




On that same trip we had no problems in Paris in the 70s. My husband was fluent in French and mine was pretty minimal. I went to a pharmacy near our hotel to look for nail lacquer and those workiing there were very helpful when I said I spoke only a little French. In Rome Italians did not seem to care if we couldn't speak Italian--when they ran out of English they just spoke Italian. Pope Paul VI addressed our small audience of about 40 in six languages. The fun thing about that audience was all the Viva Il Papa from the Italians--it was downright rowdy.


My husband spoke what I'll call some kitchen German. His mother took him and his sister home to Maine while his father was serving in Europe during WWII. There, as a preschooler, he became friends with German POWs working in the potato fields.


I have had a rich life and I give thanks for it.




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2 years ago  ::  Mar 28, 2011 - 2:50PM #50
mecdukebec
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Mar 28, 2011 -- 9:25AM, Ironhold wrote:


If we want to be talking about negative experiences with foreigners, how about giving me room to knock the French?


The one Frenchman I ever had dealings with was a troll of a person who was pig ignorant about America but insisted upon making snide remarks anyway, and there's a certain French-Canadian I sometimes deal with who is similarly inclined to be a jerk (although in his case, he thinks it's funny whenever he disrupts conversations or makes homoerotic jokes at the expense of others).


Guess that means everyone who is French or considers themself French is a jerk, right?


After all, that's the standard that certain people here in this thread seem to be using against both Americans and Germans: judge the many by the antics of the few.


 


 


And for the record, I've got German on both sides of the family; my maternal grandmother was actually a war bride.





Iron, I admire your self-persecution complex.  It's "You."  To a tee.  Comme on dit.

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