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Switch to Forum Live View Appropriate response to Westboro and the Phelps Klan.
7 years ago  ::  Mar 23, 2011 - 4:48PM #61
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Mar 23, 2011 -- 1:04PM, Cesmom wrote:

It may not be illegal, but immoral is a whole different story.

I see trying to stifle their free speech as imoral. Free speech is one of the foundations this country was founded on. Trying in any way to limit free speech is un-American.

  Would you feel it was immoral if these were abortion protesters yelling profanities and holding up disgusting pictures and signs saying 'baby killer'?

I have spent many hours as an escort at womens health clinics helping to get women through lines of such jerks. Not once did we try to impede their right to free speech.

  Pushing the limits with the intention of hurting others is immoral. 

No, it is the law - a law supported by our Constitution and by many different Supreme Court decisions. A persons right to free speech cannot be taken away just because someone gets emotional about it. THAT is immoral and un-American.

Dave - Just a Man in the Mountains.

There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.   Isaac Asimov
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7 years ago  ::  Mar 23, 2011 - 7:26PM #62
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Mar 23, 2011 -- 4:46PM, Christianlib wrote:


Yes, but technically legal and morally right are not the same thing.

Killing someone just for where their foot lands seems pretty harsh.  Heck, it sounds to me kind of akin to killing someone just because of who they love.

I wasn't advocating any position. Merely commenting on the technical aspects.

The dwarves of yore made mighty spells,
While hammers fell like ringing bells
In places deep, where dark things sleep,
In hollow halls beneath the fells.

For ancient king and elvish lord
There many a gloaming golden hoard
They shaped and wrought, and light they caught
To hide in gems on hilt of sword.
- J.R.R. Tolkien
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7 years ago  ::  Mar 23, 2011 - 10:22PM #63
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Mar 23, 2011 -- 12:53PM, Cesmom wrote:

True.  I just hate that there's not more protection for people in what I consider vulnerable categories...children, elderly, and grieving parents would be good examples.  Hell, I don't care if Phelps spews his nonsense all over town, but preying on grieving

Maybe that is what we are here for...


I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize what you heard was not what I meant...
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7 years ago  ::  Mar 24, 2011 - 7:21PM #64
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I think probably the correct response to the Westboro church is to pray for them.  If you are not into praying then maybe sending some kind of hope for change, good vibe.

Probably all of you have seen the interviews of the Phelps children who have left which is heart breaking.  I just really feel like the people in that church (not Mr. Phelps so much), the adult children, the minor children and the assorted malcontents that were attracted to the church for their own strange reasons are trapped people, stuck and they don't know how to get out.

Fred I think gets off on being hated by the world and being king of his own little world really all he cares about.  The rest of the people have been in effect turned into horrible monsters who are hated by society.  How do you reach out to a society that finds you repugnant?  How do you even think of a way to make another life.  How trapped and stuck they must feel. 

It is like the Westboro congregants have been crippled and disfigured by the focus of the church and now they have no place in society.  In reality they could leave and might make alot more money working the talk show circut than they ever did protesting funerals but I am not so sure it is easy to make that connection. 

In my own way I feel sorry for some of the Westboro congregants interviewed and can sense how alone and shunned they must feel.    I am not saying we need to tolerate their behavior and I still can't fathom how what they do is legal but our attention might be best served in sending them hope for change and enlightenment. 

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7 years ago  ::  Apr 01, 2011 - 2:39PM #65
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