Julian Assange free association thread

Karma_yeshe_dorje

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Extradition is unenforceable.

During a telephone interview on BBC2′s Newsnight, he was asked if he intended to give himself up. “Our advice is that asylum law both domestically and internationally in the UK takes precedence to extradition law, so the answer is almost certainly not,” he said.

www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/28/julian-as...

Karma_yeshe_dorje

Posts: 10,403

A catalogue of threats!

He believes Swedish authorities will hand him over to the US, where the operations of WikiLeaks are under investigation for releasing hundreds of thousands of secret government documents.

Journalist John Pilger, a close supporter of Mr Assange, told AAP: "Julian and his lawyer and others have spent all the time he has been in the embassy putting together a very substantial document that details the reasons why they believe he should be given political asylum.

"And those reasons include a catalogue of the threats made to his life, the threats made to his liberty, and especially the campaign in the US to prosecute him when he or WikiLeaks have committed no crime under the first amendment of the Constitution.

"That (document) will go to Ecuador because the Ecuadorian government needs that to inform itself and reassure itself that political asylum is justified."

Mr Pilger, who last visited Mr Assange on Tuesday, said the document has been completed and submitted and thoughts had turned to what will happen when Ecuador makes its decision.

"If granted asylum it certainly places on the international agenda the fact that Julian Assange is an accredited political refugee and all kinds of developments could flow from that.

www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/...

Dostojevsky

Posts: 4,861

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I'm ALSO an EQUALLY Big Fan of recognizing that "The Truth" DOESN'T BELONG EXCLUSIVELY to just any ONE single Individual or Organization or Ideology or Religion or Philosophy or World-View or Government or Agency or Movement ...'

Teilhard, you are rather confusing

Now you agree with Assange 100%

Karma,

thanks for the link to Heraldsun. It sounds promising.

Assange is one man, and if it ends as a victory for him hooray!** equally

it is a victory for us all, for free speech and democracy so they are not

just empty words rattling like marbles in a can.

Karma_yeshe_dorje

Posts: 10,403

Happy birthday!

Twitter-users: WikiLeaks Central is collecting birthday wishes for Julian Assanges 41st birthday. Use this hash: #JA41

You can also email your birthday wishes to JA41@wlcentral.org

So, let's all wish the birthday boy the happiest of birthdays!

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Karma_yeshe_dorje

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I further transcribe from the Part 1 video of the forum that I attended last Wednesday. The speaker was Bernard Keane, journalist with Crikey!

What has the Australian government done about this? These are all established facts on the public record. No private meetings are needed to find them. It's been wilfully blind! It's engaged in systematic denial. It sticks to narrow responses. It's afforded consular assistance. And the Americans haven't said that they're going to extradite him.

That consular assistance claim is not true.

It's not enough to say that the Americans haven't said that they don't want to extradite him now. That's unsatisfactory, and is wilful blindness! We continue to get that from Bob Carr. There is a mask of deliberate lack of curiosity, the wilful blindness.

In 2010, Prime Minister Julia Gillard called WikiLeaks "illegal". A few days later, that was contradicted by a government agency. It's not illegal; WikiLeaks has done nothing illegal. The Australian Federal Police said that the Prime Minister was completely wrong!

On the weekend, Bob Carr used the word "amoral", about WikiLeaks. That word doesn't cause issues like the word "illegal". But it has an unpleasant odour!

Governments will do nothing until voters get angry, and tell them that this is not good enough!

The Australian government should demand of the Swedish government that Julian will not be extradited, on any prosecution related to his journalism.

Karma_yeshe_dorje

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Crikey! journalist Bernard Keane continued.

And the Australian government should ask the United States why it is prosecuting or investigating someone, for their journalism? That contradicts American and Australian values! It is antithetical to free speech, and a free press. Why are you doing it? And if you persist, then we will protect our citizen! Because we protect our citizens. And we believe in free speech. That's what the Australian government should do.

There is loud applause!

Chairperson Mary Kostakidis introduces Aloysia Brooks. She is a human rights and social justice advocate and academic. She's interested in torture, and has worked with torture survivors, and Amnesty International. Her Master's in Human Rights is from the University of Sydney. She studies public representation in Australia. And she formed the justice campaign seeking justice for David Hicks.

Karma_yeshe_dorje

Posts: 10,403

Dear Dostojevsky:

free speech and democracy so they are not just empty words

One representative cannot adequately represent tens of thousands of constituents! And then what they do, is behind closed doors. The more official a pronouncement (as I have revealed)--the less truthful it is! Rather, I urge direct participation in democracy!

Karma_yeshe_dorje

Posts: 10,403

Further I transcribe from last Wednesday's forum Part 1 video.

Loud audience applause for Aloysia Brooks.

She acknowledges everyone.

Why do we need human rights protection? We can't expect truth from governments. Nor can we expect them to protect everyone's human rights. That includes the presumption of innocence, and the right to be protected from torture, inhuman and degrading treatment. States use their powers to marginalise individuals and groups of people! Freedom of speech is only politically convenient!

WikiLeaks exposed this world for us.

Inhumanity is rife! There are torture, corruption, and the widespread abuse of power. Human rights and civil liberties are denigrated! And there are atrocities of war.

teilhard

Posts: 43,033

LOL ...

I think what The Birthday Boy would REALLY appreciate might be a HackSaw in a Cake ...

Jun 29, 2012 -- 4:48AM, Karma_yeshe_dorje wrote:

Happy birthday!
Twitter-users: WikiLeaks Central is collecting birthday wishes for Julian Assanges 41st birthday. Use this hash: #JA41

You can also email your birthday wishes to JA41@wlcentral.org

So, let's all wish the birthday boy the happiest of birthdays!

www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,...

teilhard

Posts: 43,033

Being protected by Society and Government from Sexual Predation is a Human Right ...

Jun 29, 2012 -- 8:18AM, Karma_yeshe_dorje wrote:

Further I transcribe from last Wednesday's forum Part 1 video.

Loud audience applause for Aloysia Brooks.

She acknowledges everyone.

Why do we need human rights protection? We can't expect truth from governments. Nor can we expect them to protect everyone's human rights. That includes the presumption of innocence, and the right to be protected from torture, inhuman and degrading treatment. States use their powers to marginalise individuals and groups of people! Freedom of speech is only politically convenient!

WikiLeaks exposed this world for us.

Inhumanity is rife! There are torture, corruption, and the widespread abuse of power. Human rights and civil liberties are denigrated! And there are atrocities of war.

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