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2 years ago  ::  Jan 26, 2011 - 3:30PM #1
solfeggio
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The upper house of Russia's parliament today gave the final approval for the START (Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty) nuclear arms control treaty signed by President Obama and President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev last year, and approved by the U.S. Senate last month:


www.aolnews.com/2011/01/26/russian-parli...


This is the first nuclear pact between the U.S. and Russia in twenty years, and it reduces warhead ceilings by 30% and lmitis numbers of heavy bombers and long-range missiles.  It also includes broad language allowing either side to pull out if it decides that its 'supreme interests' are threatened.  And the Duma has further stipulated that Russia will withdraw from the treaty if the U.S. further deploys SDI.


NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen has described this treaty as 'good news for international security and stability' and that it will 'help Allies and Russia to make concrete progress in their strategic partnership, including in the field of missile defence.'


Nevertheless, the U.S. and Russia still hold more than 90% of all the nuclear weapons in the whole world.


Will this new treaty make America a safer nation in which to live?  At lest one senator thinks so:


www.knoxnews.com/news/2010/dec/26/sen-al...


On the other hand, Senator Lindsey Graham doesn't think the treaty was a good idea at all:


www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/12/19/ftn/m...


Well, whether the average American approves of it or not, it is now a fact of life.
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2 years ago  ::  Jan 26, 2011 - 3:58PM #2
allthegoodnamesweretaken
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Russia is not the threat anymore.


The threat now is not convinced by "mutually assured distruction". 


 


Better to do something to have the former Soviet states dispose of their weapons, than to have a cash strapped guy in a silo somewhere sell it to buy bread. 


 


I'm sure you guys would rather give me a couple of hundred bucks for a handgun if I was starving, than to have me sell it to the junky down the street. 


 


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2 years ago  ::  Jan 26, 2011 - 7:03PM #3
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I must be getting cynical as I get older.  I don't believe either country throws away any of it.  :P

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2 years ago  ::  Jan 26, 2011 - 7:06PM #4
allthegoodnamesweretaken
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Jan 26, 2011 -- 7:03PM, Iwantamotto wrote:


I must be getting cynical as I get older.  I don't believe either country throws away any of it.  :P




 


I just believe that there is so much that it doesn't matter. 

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2 years ago  ::  Jan 26, 2011 - 7:12PM #5
piecesofthewhole
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well it's a step (small though it may be).  Maybe it can be built upon.
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2 years ago  ::  Jan 26, 2011 - 8:44PM #6
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I worry a whole hell of a lot more about the 70 nukes that Pakistan has than I do about 1500 in Russia.


 
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2 years ago  ::  Jan 26, 2011 - 8:48PM #7
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Jan 26, 2011 -- 8:44PM, TemplarS wrote:


I worry a whole hell of a lot more about the 70 nukes that Pakistan has than I do about 1500 in Russia.


 





Just ONE nuke in the hands of Pakistan is more problematic than all the nukes that the US, Russia, France, the UK, China, India and Israel together have. The latter seven countries are not subject to being taken over by suicidal religious fanatics who proudly scream that they love death more than others love life.


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2 years ago  ::  Jan 26, 2011 - 9:09PM #8
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Jan 26, 2011 -- 8:48PM, rangerken wrote:


Jan 26, 2011 -- 8:44PM, TemplarS wrote:


I worry a whole hell of a lot more about the 70 nukes that Pakistan has than I do about 1500 in Russia.


 





Just ONE nuke in the hands of Pakistan is more problematic than all the nukes that the US, Russia, France, the UK, China, India and Israel together have. The latter seven countries are not subject to being taken over by suicidal religious fanatics who proudly scream that they love death more than others love life.


Ken




+1 to both. We could depend upon Russia's ability to act in it's own self interest --- to be RATIONAL. Not so with Pakistan. India may be a concern at some point if it becomes overrun with Muslim extremists. 


In light of the recent bombing in Russia (no one has yet claimed responsibility so I'll keep mum about who I think is LIKELY to have been responsible).... that this treaty has been approved demonstrates a remarkable restraint and dignity on the part of the Russian people.  

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2 years ago  ::  Jan 26, 2011 - 9:25PM #9
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I recall during the 2008 General Election and the run-up to it with the Party caucuses, when listening to French radio, that the Republican Party in the U.S. was allied to Putin's United Russia Party.  I've searched high and low on "the Google" but cannot find this fact confirmed anywhere.  That said,  I would see tendencies in both the Russian nationalists and the conservative, neo-Cons to have similar impulses.  -- At any rate, it's my understanding that neither the Russians nor the Americans in their treaties have any provision to check for compliance that the nuclear weapons are actually dis-assembled; in other words, it's all good faith. 

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2 years ago  ::  Jan 26, 2011 - 11:56PM #10
Quest
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The most worrisome thought about Russian disarmament is will they sell them? This has been a concern in the past. I don't think the big countries of the world will go to war with each other directly. It's going to be some radical idiots like Iran, Pakistan or North Korea, that are going to start a big mess.

That being said, we and other countries have provided the ability for these third world countries to be a threat. America put the Taliban in power to defend against Russian invasion. We left them without support after, and now they hate us. Will this new round of China beginning to put pressure on N.Korea wind up with a similar scenario?

Unfortunately, the people in control of the world, don't represent the true feelings of the majority of the people any more. Don't see any way to change it in the near future either.
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