"Where there's a 'Willie,' there's a way ... "

Jan 26, 2011 -- 11:13AM, Babis wrote:

 

Found this in yesterday’s Guardian. “The price of undercover sex in the police: Sexual manipulation of climate activists appears to have been a deliberate police tactic, and demands a public inquiry”

It seems women are getting the short end of the stick as England’s police wield their batons in an unseemly manner. Some activists, including environmentalists, are so dangerous that Scotland Yard felt the need to screw with their lives, literally.

Many women say they feel betrayed and violated as they were led into fake relationships with officers. “[A] woman described the devastating effects of learning that a man she had two children with was the police officer Jim Boyling.”

Saturday’s Guardian article “Undercover police cleared ‘to have sex with activists’: Promiscuity ‘regularly used as a tactic’, says former officer, contradicting claims from Acpo” had this interesting bit:

“The one stipulation, according to the officer from the Special Demonstration Squad (SDS), a secret unit formed to prevent violent disorder on the streets of London, was that falling in love was considered highly unprofessional because it might compromise an investigation. He said undercover officers, particularly those infiltrating environmental and leftwing groups, viewed having sex with a large number of partners 'as part of the job'.”

And all along I thought the English were quite reserved.

 

 

 

Jan 26, 2011 -- 11:25AM, TemplarS wrote:

Hey, maybe recruitment is down and they're just trying out some perks as a way of attracting good people...

I suppose it depends on your definition of good, good swimmers?

Do you think there is this crazy police cheif going: "If we can't get them out, we'll bred them out, HA HA HA"

"Yes little Jimmy, your daddy worked for the MAN"

"NOOOOOO!"

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Too much star wars

"You mean dad was darth vader?" "well, yes but he didnt look like darth vader, he changed his name and everything"

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Seriously joking aside, I really feel for the lady, that's not a joke, but then it can't be that easy on him either.

Jan 27, 2011 -- 6:39AM, Ebon wrote:

Jan 26, 2011 -- 12:55PM, TemplarS wrote:

Though from the article it is not possible to figure out what sorts of activities the police were concerned about.  There are a few non-peaceful environmental groups out there (ELF comes to mind) 

We'll probably here the real story of this from Ebon...

I'm touched.

Right, Scotland Yard (which functions a little like the FBI) does have, and always have, made efforts to infiltrate the non-peaceful enviromental groups (and yes, I accept that they're an extreme minority). Since such groups draw from the more extreme end of the legitimate enviromental movement, it's been widely suspected for years that those legitimate groups have been infiltrated as well.

Now, using sex as an infiltration tool is not an official policy of Scotland Yard. However, it seems that many Chief Constables have been blessing the tactic anyway (time to email my MP again). Under British law, those duped by officers into sex certainly have a case for sexual assault (on grounds of impersonation) but probably not for rape. They do have a cast-iron case that their right to privacy (Article 8 of the ECHR which the UK is a signatory to) was infringed upon.

That's what I know so far and, obviously, details miht change as more facts come out.

EDIT: Chasing this up, it seems the tactic was used not just on extreme enviromental groups (which are a tiny minority) but also on violent anarchist groups (far more of a problem here) and various other extreme left groups (extreme-right groups here are almost exclusively male).

I think you'll find all and any group is watched and has always been, just as in a limited way all people are watched. wether that's recording the TV programmes you watch, much easier today with digital, to echolon or Oasis that looks at email and telephone calls.

With regards to relationships with undercover agents of one group or another, that is far more widespread then people realise I think, sometimes for cover, other times because the person themselves is being watched. It certainly raises questions as to issue of love (many see that as a sentmental thing), I mean effectivily to be in a relationship with an agent can never be a true relationship, on order they'll leave, or be forced to quit their job, if possible.

Personally I think it is probably more wide spread amoung female agents than male, they get the family and stable relationship, in theory anyway.     

Jan 26, 2011 -- 11:13AM, Babis wrote:

 contradicting claims from Acpo” had this interesting bit:

“The one stipulation, according to the officer from the Special Demonstration Squad (SDS), a secret unit formed to prevent violent disorder on the streets of London, was that falling in love was considered highly unprofessional because it might compromise an investigation. 

 

Just to relook at that, a certain way with words there, isnt there? Because falling in love with, is not the same as having sex with.

Jan 27, 2011 -- 5:41PM, Ken wrote:

Jan 27, 2011 -- 4:29PM, JoliverJOLLY wrote:

Jan 26, 2011 -- 11:13AM, Babis wrote:

 contradicting claims from Acpo” had this interesting bit:

“The one stipulation, according to the officer from the Special Demonstration Squad (SDS), a secret unit formed to prevent violent disorder on the streets of London, was that falling in love was considered highly unprofessional because it might compromise an investigation. 

 

Just to relook at that, a certain way with words there, isnt there? Because falling in love with, is not the same as having sex with.

It is for some extremely shallow people.

What ever happened to the days when Scotland Yard investigated crimes, made a mess of it, and had to call in Sherlock Holmes or Hercule Poirot - neither of whom found it necessary to prostitute themselves to solve a case?

Are you implying that the police are... extremely shallow?

Those days only existed on tv I think.