Chari

The Terrorists on the Mavi Marmara knew precisely what they were doing. They were not naive. Some of the people on the other ships were naive useful idiots, but nothing happened to them, so no apology is necessary.  Similarly the IHH and the government of Turkey are not naive and they also knew that they were staging an attack on Israel. So no apology from Israel is necessary. One from Turkey is. I am not holding my breath. 

Char,

After reading the following I have the feeling that you are misinformed about what happened on the flotilla. You wrote:

"Nobody speaks about lying.

It is not a lie to say you are sorry for having harmed naïvely innocent others.

Unless you actually aren't sorry, of course, but think that naiveté is punishable.

Is that what you think?"

When the incident first took place, the European sponsors immediately issued a statement that the IDF had stormed the ship and shot and killed passengers who were sleeping in their beds. In fact, when the first IDF soldiers landed on the ship, rather than being armed with military rifles, they were carrying paint ball guns because they assumed that they would be met mostly by naive innocents. Instead they were met by violent fanatics who had organized and armed themselves to use violence against the IDF. Despite descriptions to the contrary, no one was shot in their beds while sleeping and the reception organized for the IDF was far from being a non-violent one organized by naive innocents.

The State of Israel had the right under international law to impose the blockade of Gaza and it was the Turks who violated international law by trying to run the blockade, especially since Israel offered to allow the humanitarian goods on board to be sent to Gaza once those goods had been inspected; an offer the Turks and the organizations sponsoring the flotilla refused.

Char, the IDF soldiers who boarded the ship were not dealing with a bunch of humanitarians passively resisting while singing "Give Peace a Chance". These were violent people who identified themselves as enemies, not only of the State of Israel, but of all Jews.

As for your expectations of a change in Turkish policy as a consequence of an Israeli apology, I think that this shows a certain degree of naivety on your part as to how current Turkish politics works and the motivations which drive the current Turkish regime. Char, you don't have to answer this (and I apologize if this presses any of your buttons) but do you think that the holocaust could have been prevented had the Jews apologized to Hitler for stabbing Germany in the back during World War One? Isn't this basically what you are asking Israel to do now with Turkey?

Habesor

Jun 22, 2012 -- 6:45PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:

Chari

The Terrorists on the Mavi Marmara knew precisely what they were doing. They were not naive. Some of the people on the other ships were naive useful idiots, but nothing happened to them, so no apology is necessary.  Similarly the IHH and the government of Turkey are not naive and they also knew that they were staging an attack on Israel. So no apology from Israel is necessary. One from Turkey is. I am not holding my breath. 

>>>>>>> Yeah. These "Unarmed terrorists" had lot of cement, flour, cooking oil etc and they wanted to scare the crap out of Israel with their bare hands!!

darn, these people are something else. Heading towrds Israel without locking their hands and feet to ensure "Security" of Israel?

With this new technology cooking oil and two hards were enough to "staging an attack on Israel." [ I just remember they were heading to Gaza--not Israel, but this sounds better!].

We do live in strange time......

Quote:

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Until today, the IDF won't release the confiscated media documenting the assault, nor its own full footage of what happened. Why do you think is that the case?'

Yes I'd also like to know the answer to this.

Some Australian reporters' personal items were taken.

Jun 24, 2012 -- 9:46AM, habesor wrote:

Neither an apology to Hitler nor an apology to Turkey works in these sorts of situations.

How many Nazis have Jews killed then, that an apology would be analogous?

You're, quite by exception, getting tasteless in your comparison here. I wonder why?

Do you somehow think Israel was attacked by this "flotilla"?