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4 years ago  ::  Oct 19, 2010 - 3:10PM #21
browbeaten
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Oct 19, 2010 -- 1:12PM, Nepenthe wrote:


To the topic at hand, yes Israel should apologize, and it is Israel's own fault.  All they had to do, ALL THEY HAD TO DO, was wait until the vessels were in Israeli water.  For crying out loud, they really, truly could not have waited a couple of hours?  Did these ships have some type of futuristic cloaking device that would have been activated thus making them invisible to the Israelis?  They could have easily, easily maintained watch on these ships until they entered their own water, at which point they could have done exactly what they did.  What some do not realize is that for many people, such as myself, the initial outrage was not about the actual raid, it was about the raid occuring in international waters.  When these boats break Israeli sovereignty, then the raid would be justified.  But that is only after they break Israeli Sovereignty, not before.




What did the location of boarding really have to do with anything.  They were approached and told to turn back or be boarded.  They chose to be boarded.  Your "opinion" on whether or not the blockade is legal in international waters, is irrelevant.  The point is that the IDF was attacked when it boarded the ship.  Simple.  If you have aid and nothing else to be concerned with, why the provocation and incitement?  Missing videos, etc is simply another conspiracy theory.  There is plenty of video that is readily available that depicts the truth.


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4 years ago  ::  Oct 19, 2010 - 5:49PM #22
teilhard
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And again ... tirelessly ...


The Israeli Government INVITED The Turkish "Aid" Folks to send their "Aid" THROUGH Israel, AFTER proper sensible LEGAL Examination of The "Aid" to ensure that it WAS entirely and only "Humanitarian" Supplies and NOT Contraband ...


The Confrontation-Seekers REFUSED ... precisely BECAUSE they were SEEKING to PROVOKE a Confrontation with The IDF ...


They got their wish ...

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2010 - 3:38AM #23
Dostojevsky
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They refused because they are 'free'*

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2010 - 10:34AM #24
arielg
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The point is that the IDF was attacked when it boarded the  ship.  Simple.


 


The attack was the boarding of the ship, not that they were attacked when boarding the ship.  Very simple.

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2010 - 11:41AM #25
LeahOne
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I disagree:  the people controlling the MM *at the time it was boarded* were NOT the captain and crew (who'd been sent below), but the group of confrontation-seeking "peace activists" who were looking for an 'incident' where they could live out their fantasies of 'martyrdom'.


There were no such 'peace activists' on the other 5 ships.  There was no such violence on the other 5 ships.   The constant was the IDF action: only on the MM did this action result in violence.  The relevant factor is the attitude of the 'peace activists' who deliberately sought a violent confrontation.


 

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2010 - 11:46AM #26
LeahOne
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Oct 20, 2010 -- 3:38AM, Dostojevsky wrote:


They refused because they are 'free'*





Or because they were stupid.


Or because they desired to have a confrontation with the IDF, so that they could achieve their true goal of becoming martyrs for their cause (of defeating Israel).


The group of people aboard the MM were not 'aid workers':  some of them were hardcore idealogues (and their 'useful idiot' patsies) who came prepared to engage in violence.  HOPING to engage in violence......


And yes, that was all by their free will.  As much 'free will' as one can have growing up with a State-owned press churning out 'agitprop'.........

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2010 - 12:27PM #27
teilhard
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Exactly so ...


"Hamas" Supporters are NOT ( sincere ) "Peace"-Seekers ...


Oct 20, 2010 -- 11:41AM, LeahOne wrote:


 The relevant factor is the attitude of the 'peace activists' who deliberately sought a violent confrontation.





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4 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2010 - 1:22PM #28
Roodog
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Oct 20, 2010 -- 12:27PM, teilhard wrote:


Exactly so ...


"Hamas" Supporters are NOT ( sincere ) "Peace"-Seekers ...


Oct 20, 2010 -- 11:41AM, LeahOne wrote:


 The relevant factor is the attitude of the 'peace activists' who deliberately sought a violent confrontation.









Hamas is a terrorist organization. Those who aid and abet terrorism are likewise terrorists.

For those who have faith, no explanation is neccessary.
For those who have no faith, no explanation is possible.

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If one turns his ear from hearing the Law, even his prayer is an abomination. Proverbs 28:9
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4 years ago  ::  Oct 20, 2010 - 1:26PM #29
teilhard
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Yes ... And The Israelis are RIGHT to defend themselves from them ...


Oct 20, 2010 -- 1:22PM, Roodog wrote:


Oct 20, 2010 -- 12:27PM, teilhard wrote:


Exactly so ...


"Hamas" Supporters are NOT ( sincere ) "Peace"-Seekers ...


Oct 20, 2010 -- 11:41AM, LeahOne wrote:


 The relevant factor is the attitude of the 'peace activists' who deliberately sought a violent confrontation.









Hamas is a terrorist organization. Those who aid and abet terrorism are likewise terrorists.





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4 years ago  ::  Oct 21, 2010 - 1:21AM #30
arielg
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Hamas is a terrorist organization. Those who aid and abet terrorism are likewise terrorists.


Hamas is as terrorist as anyone  defending  their group with violence.  Like any army, or any other mercenary, paid to kill on orders, fights for thei people. 


  Branding them terrorists is  a convenient way to dismiss and ignore what they stand for, just  like calling them anti-Semitic or whatever meaningless epithet one has in store to feel selfrighteous.

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