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3 days ago  ::  Nov 18, 2014 - 7:42AM #781
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Nov 12, 2014 -- 6:50AM, habesor wrote:


Dos,


What is your point about Natanyahu's phone call and how does this relate to the ICC statement?


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Netanyahu appologised for the crimes Israel commited  on MM. So it is true. Right?


There is nothing left for ICC to do except bring Israel to trial.


If the world were blessed with justice, we would see it happen. As it is, not likely.


Too many Zionists hold high position jobs throughout Europe and 30bl trade between EU and Israel. You can't jepardise that. ICC is mainly for poor African countries.

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2 days ago  ::  Nov 19, 2014 - 4:05AM #782
habesor
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I was not listening in on the phone call but as I understand it after being told by the Americans that the Turks were interested in mending relations with Israel, Natanyahu phoned the Turks and expressed sorrow over the loss of life and also expressed a willingness to negotiate some Israeli payments to the families who lost members. There was no reference to Israel breaking international law. As it happened the Americans were wrong and the Turks were not interested in any Israeli good will gestures towards Turkey.


Can you find any mention in any ICC statement that Israel and Israel alone violated international law?


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2 days ago  ::  Nov 19, 2014 - 9:26AM #783
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Habesor, this appology happened months ago.


I am sure there are references to be found.


I read it and would not know where to go and find it again.

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2 days ago  ::  Nov 20, 2014 - 12:11AM #784
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Dos,


I found the following reference to Natanyahu's phone call after about five seconds on the internet using Google. 


www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/n...


The lead reads as follows:


Two leaders spoke for first time since 2009; agreed to normalize relations, return ambassadors to Tel Aviv and Ankara; Turkey agreed to cancel all legal proceedings initiated against IDF officers and soldiers over Mavi Marmara incident; Turkey FM: Apology meets all of Turkey's demands.


Here is the Jerusalem Post report on the phone call:


www.jpost.com/International/Obama-Netany...


And here is Erdogan's excuse for not normalizing relations with Israel after the phone call.


www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/europe/12...


This is how Wikipedia analyzed Turkish- Israeli relations:


"Relations between Israel and Turkey took a downturn during the term of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan as Turkish Prime Minister. Though Erdoğan had paid an official visit to Israel in 2005 and initially had maintained business-as-usual relations, his strong anti-Israeli rhetoric is considered to have symbolized an intentional shift of Turkish interests in the Middle East and realignment from secular Israeli-oriented to Islamist pro-Arab stance of Turkish Republic. Most notably, the relations deteriorated after the 2008–09 Gaza War and the 2010 Gaza flotilla raid. In March 2013, Israel apologized for the raid, opening path for normalized relations.[7][8] However, despite US-mediation, no progress has been achieved in reconciliation through 2013." [Emphasis by me]


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Tur...


Dos,


There was no indication that there was any admition that any international laws were violated by Israel during Natanyahu's phone call to Erdogan. There is every indication that Turkey, under the Islamist Erdogan, has reshaped Turkish foreign policy in a way to gain favor in the rest of the Middle East by supporting Arab Islamists. Erdogan has certainly been successful in souring relations between Turkey and Israel but it remains to be seen if this action by Turkey leads to any foreign policy successes elsewhere.


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