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3 years ago  ::  Oct 11, 2010 - 4:41PM #11
BDboy
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If it is a "Palestinian" run organization, it should be called "The Palestinian Solidarity Movement", without the word "International".


>>>>> I agree. Do you have any evidence to show that it is an "Exclusively" Palestinian organization.


Having "International" implies that the whole world is behind what they do, which is untrue, and a mis-representation of the group's definiton.


>>>>>> Actually international does not imply that. International can by anything that goes out of national borders.


Imagine the "Israel Defense Forces" being called the "International Defense Forces", and you'll get the idea.


>>>>> I don't mind. Israel was established in a meeting room of the UN. I acknowledge it. Actually Israel has been supported by many countries outside of Israel. Otherwise I cannot think of many countries that can get away with [ What looks like from picture] murder of unarmed young woman.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 11, 2010 - 4:48PM #12
rocketjsquirell
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Read about actual innocents who were killed by the terrorists Rachel Corrie supported, the people who placed Rachel Corrie in harms way and who were more than willing to sacrifice her life.


daledamos.blogspot.com/2006/08/123-israe...


Watch about actula innocednts who were killed by the terrorists Rachel Corrie supported.


Israeli children killed by hamas


www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH1qKC-soEQ


or


www.pakistan.tv/videos-this-is-why-we-fi...


Rachel Corrie was a dupe of terrorists. But at least she was an adult, able to make her own decisions, even if they were the wrong ones.


It is nonsense to blame Israel for the death of Rachel Corrie, she was sent to her death by the Palestinian Terrorist Organizations she went to aid and abet.


Blaming Israel is like blaming the Canadian National Rail Corporation when Snidely Whiplash ties Sweet Nell to the railroad tracks right before the train comes, thus killing Nell. (This scenario assumes that Dudley Do Right did not get there in the nick of time to rescue Nell). The death was caused by Snidely Whiplash, the train was merely his instrument.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 12, 2010 - 1:29AM #13
Dostojevsky
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It is irrelevant whether she was sent or came on her own or if Palestinains are worse than Israelis. Are Israelis competing with them?


Amazing how we go to all lenghts to excuise the side we are on.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 12, 2010 - 2:56AM #14
habesor
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Dos,


In your opinion, what is relevant?


Habesor

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 12, 2010 - 9:36AM #15
shmuelgoldstein
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Oct 11, 2010 -- 4:26PM, BDboy wrote:

As far as I understand Israel for specially established for "Jewish" people and Jews from anywhere in the world can fly in and claim citizenship of Israel.



True. A Jew who immigrates to Israel is returning to his native land.


Oct 11, 2010 -- 4:26PM, BDboy wrote:

However native Arabs ( Chrsitians and Muslims) have to go through many "Israeli check posts" to go from point A to point B.



Not true.


Israeli citizens, and all persons who have permission from the Israeli government to reside in Israel (this includes tourists) are allowed to go anywhere within the formal boundaries of the State of Israel, and in Area C of Judea and Samaria. This includes Arabs, Jews, and anyone else.


However, when it comes to Area A or Area B of Judea and Samaria, these areas are controlled by the Palestinian Authority, and entry to and exit from these areas to the formal boundaries of the State of Israel and Area C of Judea and Samaria is limited. Residents of Area A and B are PA citizens (the Christian and Muslim Arabs you mentioned), and as a result their entry to the formal boundaries of the State of Israel is limited. Travel in Area C of J&S is controlled by Israel, and this includes both PA citizens and Israeli citizens.


So, your impression that "native Arabs ( Chrsitians and Muslims) have to go through many "Israeli check posts" to go from point A to point B" was created by reading and seeing presentations of Israeli controls of travel within Area C and from Area A/B to Israel as if the government was controlling travel by Arabs within Israel proper. It is an incorrect impression.


Oct 11, 2010 -- 4:26PM, BDboy wrote:

 In the long run Israel should make some room where people can peacefully protest any Israeli policies.



There is already plenty of room inside Israel where people can peacefully protest Israeli government policies. A quick perusal of news items will reveal no lack of protests from both the left and the right against this or that policy.


The key here is peaceful. Rachel Corrie was in a war zone. She was doing an act that was dangerous, and endangering both hers, and others lives. The Mavi Mamara was violating a legitimate blockade meant to prevent weapons from entering Gaza. When IDF soldiers tried to stop them, they were attacked, and therefore defended themselves.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 12, 2010 - 2:13PM #16
BDboy
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Dostojevsky



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It is irrelevant whether she was sent or came on her own or if Palestinains are worse than Israelis. Are Israelis competing with them?




Amazing how we go to all lenghts to excuise the side we are on.



 


>>>>> Exactly. It seems like certain people are "Proud" of what goes on Israel today. This is the day of internet and information. No country can hide behind censorship or occupation.


I can see the passion of some members here but Israel cannot expect the world to "babysit" for ever and getting away with slap on the rist for what looked like cold blooded murder.


Please do note, I am not here to support Hamas or any organization that targets innocent civilians. My question is if I judge Hamas from that point of view ( Albeit they claim to fight to preserve their native land) why shouldn't we apply the SAME standard to Israel.


The world observed how Israel reacted with Rachel and (Recently) mavi Marmara. No fair minded person should defend such savage acts neither should it be encouraged. It is not important if you are Jew, Muslim, Christian, Hindu, communist or atheist.


Martin Luther King Jr of USA and Ghandhi in India did similar peaceful protest. It is much better than violence IMHO.


Shalom.


 

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 12, 2010 - 2:17PM #17
BDboy
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True. A Jew who immigrates to Israel is returning to his native land.


 


>>>>> Personally I am for a safe place for Jewish people. But don't expect the whole world agree with such strong 2000 old religious point of view with NO scientific or logical explanation.


Then the Right of return for Palestinian has much stronger and logical case for making the new "Aliyah". ;-)


Take care.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 14, 2010 - 6:04AM #18
shmuelgoldstein
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Oct 12, 2010 -- 2:17PM, BDboy wrote:


True. A Jew who immigrates to Israel is returning to his native land.



>>>>> Personally I am for a safe place for Jewish people. But don't expect the whole world agree with such strong 2000 old religious point of view with NO scientific or logical explanation.



The Bible contains descriptions of historical events and locations, many of which have been verified by other histories and by archaeology.


But if the "whole world" does not agree with it (which is not true by the way, as millions do), it is immaterial. What is important is that the Jews believe it.


Oct 12, 2010 -- 2:17PM, BDboy wrote:

Then the Right of return for Palestinians Arabs has much stronger and logical case for making the new "Aliyah". ;-)



All residents of Palestine are Palestinians. This includes Jews, Arabs, Israelis, and PA citizens.


The Arabs merely migrated into Eretz Yisrael (Palestine). The area is no more important to them than any other area of the world. However, Eretz Yisrael is the national home of the Jewish people, and has central historical, cultural, religious, and national importance to the Jews. There are hundreds of special considerations and laws and practices of Jews that give preference to the Land of Israel. A Jew anywhere in the world is buried with some dust of the Land of Israel placed in their coffin. It is hard to describe the importance of Eretz Yisrael without presenting an encylopedic account of Judaism.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 14, 2010 - 6:26AM #19
arielg
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All ideologies are idiotic, whether religious or  political, for it is conceptual thinking, the conceptual word, which has  so unfortunately divided man.
Jiddu Krishnamurt

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 14, 2010 - 10:35AM #20
Ricky
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''a life for a life''


 


Rachel's murderer should have been hung a long time ago as it would set a good example to the world.

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