As a person who claims that he knows the basic aims of Zionism after  reading one misquote from Ben Gurion and another statement allegedly  made by Ben Gurion to a political opponent (and only recorded by that  opponent many years after it was supposedly made) I am surprised that  you find it so difficult to believe that the Arabs (never mind the  Persians) have intentions to kill Jews and you so readily chalk up the  whole issue of Arab genocidal intent to Jewish paranoia. Here are a few  public quotes by Arab leaders before and at the time of Israel's  independence. I'm sure that you will explain them away but before you  do, could you tell us what your common sense interprets their meanings  to be:

You know better than that.  This was no accidental statement.  The whole history of  Zionism is loaded with this kind of statements.

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-Husseini, one of the worst Nazi  collaborators, called for Jihad against Jews in a 1943 b

roadcast from  Radio Berlin during the height of the Holocaust:

• Kill the Jews wherever you find them, this is pleasing to Allah.

Prior to the 1948 war against Israel, the Iraqi  Prime Minister said all the Arabs would need would be "a few brooms" to  drive the Jews into the sea. All they were waiting for was the British  and said, "once we get the green light from the British we can easily  throw out the Jews." [Quote from Sir Geoffrey Furlonge, "Palestine Is My  Country: The Story of Musa Alami (Praeger Press, 1969)]

On  the day that Israel declared its independence, Azzam Pasha, Secretary  General of the Arab League, at Cairo press conference, (reported in the  New York Times, May 16, 1948) declared "jihad", a holy war. He said that  the Arab states rejected partition and intended to set up a "United  State of Palestine." He then stated:

• "This will be a war of extermination and a  momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres  and the Crusades".

 ArielG, that is just for starters. If you want, I can fill  up this whole thread with quoitations of Arab political, religious and  cultural leaders, all advocating genocide against the Jewish population  of the State of Israel, and in some cases Jews in general. 

Habesor

Obviously the conflict has a long history, but the modern aspects of it are  reactions to the  Zionists  establishment of an exclusive Jewish state. Of course they want to get rid of them. They didn't go to Europe and the US looking for trouble. Troubles were brought to them by the Zionists intent on building their utopia on the back of the residents of the region.

Arielg, that is your opinion.   Certainly it's the opinion of someone who chose to claim they had no idea 'jewwatch' was anti-semitic.  Someone who claims the Jews have 'excessive influence'....who insists 'Zionism is evil'.

I submit that since you 'didn't know' that - you aren't competent to make any judgements about whether something is 'antisemitic' or not.  Which means it's idiotic to heed your comments about 'Zionist paranoia' or anything else on the entire topic.

Anyone who has tried to claim the filth and lies on 'jewwatch' had any veracity or reliability has demonstrated themselves to be so far entrenched in anti-semitic bigoted fantasy that I for one see no point in including them in any such discussion.

Ariel

There are rules concerning what you can and cannot say here on Beliefnet. They are posted somewhere here, I think at the beginning of each forum's site. When one makes a mistake and writes something which violates the rules, it generally gets removed and the poster receives a message from B'net explaining that it was removed and why. Check your inbox.

"You know better than that.  This was no accidental statement.  The whole history of  Zionism is loaded with this kind of statements."

Only the 'history' presented by a site titled 'jewwatch' or its assorted clones.

Decent people know better than to trust anything coming off of a site like that....of course it is different fofr anti-semites.  They just gobble that filth right up.