We see, once again, that among the "unwitten" American freedoms is the freedom of idiocy. About to be practiced in public at this church.
Democrats think the glass is half full. Republicans think the glass is theirs. Libertarians want to break the glass, because they think a conspiracy created it.
Futhermore, I find it almost silly that the atheists here, who believe in no God at all (which would of course include Allah) would have a problem with a possible denouement of this act against one God-fearing faith. I would have thought that the atheist's stand would be cheering this movement forward rather than the complete display of ignorance displayed here. Read more.
Just because we're atheists does not mean that we don't respect the right of other people to believe and practice as they please, so long as they do not hurt others in the process (especially women and minors) or breach the separation of church and state. I own many different sacred scriptures -- including a copy of the Koran -- and I certainly would never think of burning it. Of course, my parents taught me to respect books, even books that I don't agree with.
As the German poet Heinrich Heine wrote, "Where one burns books, one will, in the end, burn people." And as America's own Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote, "Every burned book or house enlightens the world; every suppressed or expunged word reverberates through the earth from side to side [....] It is the whipper who is whipped, and the tyrant who is undone." These Christians, if they do follow through with their publicized plan of burning the Koran, better realize that if they do it, they are no better than tyrants and Nazis.
Your treatise doesn't address the innocent Afghans whom you are holding to account for what some other, non-Afghan people did, with or without the Taliban's knowledge and support.
It should come as no surprise that the people of Afghanistan would protest the announced burning of the Quran in America, seeing as how widespread Islamophobia has announced itself in America, that even Time Magazine is asking "Is America Islamophobic?" (uh, is the Pope Catholic? is the sky blue?). Afghans just might believe they are the direct victims of America's demonstrated Islamophobia.
Burning a flag is political speech. Burning a Bible, or a Quran, is hate speech, pure and simple. I can't remember a time when American liberals or atheists burned Bibles, though. Maybe it happened.
The Afghanistan local, regional and national government had before 9/11 full knowledge and allowed Quranic-learned terrorists to train in their country. They had full knowledge, from the ground up, that the intent of these training facilities and their sponsored madrasses was to destroy (according to their Quranic-based teachings) the Satanic West. Their Quranic-based government was fully aware that most of the money used to train these Quranic-based terrorists came from the growing of opium poppies and the subsequent harvesting, refinement and transporting of this product to satisfy the heroin addicts worldwide. Afghanistan today has a one-in-eleven heroin addiction problem among their Quranic-based population, which of course is punishable by death.
The Satanic West mentioned above includes anyone "that is not a Muslim". That includes Hindus, Wiccans, Buddhists, Christians, Mormons, atheists, agnostics and just about any and all that are NOT Muslims. These are the people that Afghanistan has and is now supporting and has supported down through history and all because of the Quran and nothing less to maintain a complete control over their citizens. You must understand that no other thinking outside of the Quran is allowed in their society, judiciary or otherwise. Women's Rights, and the horrific known abuses towards them are not an issue there. Cases of gang rape by village leaders against young girls for even speaking to a young man of another tribe or village are well documented. Young girls are denied an education and if they do go to school, then they'll likely be entreated with acid thrown into their young faces. This is their Neolithic digusting law in action and it's all done for the sake of the Quran and their interpretation... all the while bowing down five times daily in prayer. I don't understand it.
I suppose for the unlearned, this one case of Christians wanting to burn the Quran would seem a great opportunity to attack "the supposed Christian America"... I'd say more power to them. Maybe the message of these "supposed Christian Americans" might indeed enlighten the starved minds of anti-Christian ambiguity and they would seek to learn more rather than speak more of what they again have little idea of. Futhermore, I find it almost silly that the atheists here, who believe in no God at all (which would of course include Allah) would have a problem with a possible denouement of this act against one God-fearing faith. I would have thought that the atheist's stand would be cheering this movement forward rather than the complete display of ignorance displayed here. Read more.
Things are tough all over I guess.
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IMO it is wrong for this church to burn the Quran but i support their constitutional right to do so, just as i support atheist who wanna burn bibles or anarchist who wanna burn the US flag. All are actions i personally disagree with and would not support, but understand they have the freedom to do.
I guess they figure, while they burn the American flag in Muslim countries and scream, death to America, that that is perfectly permissible because most American's can agree to disagree without killing each other.
Can you imagine if a march occurred anywhere in the U.S. when a Muslim countries people burned the American flag and threatened death to that countries President?
Can you imagine we've put the Afghan people under military occupation for almost 9 years, now, even though not a single Afghan was on one of those hijacked planes on 9/11/01 and have killed many more innocent Afghans, by now, than did some crazed extremists from Saudi Arabia and Yemen (mostly) on 9/11/01?
So that this church plans to burn the Koran on Wednesday prior, is a bit off the mark if their stated intent is to make a statement regarding the terrorism radical Islam effected on 911, nine years ago.
I think that they will disagree.
Yes, well one can't help that they're stupid, because their message misses the mark by 4 days. God knows, Hate has an agenda!
As most learned people know, America is not a Christian nation. It was not founded as a Christian nation and it's government is not a Christian theocracy.
Do most learned people know that America is not a Christian nation?
America is a Christian democracy.
No, it is not. Nor has it ever been. That's why there's freedom of religion, and by implication, freedom from the one religion that would think to believe so, in error.
But what bigots and zealots of the persuasion described by the article in the OP fail to realize is that a planned burning like that described as the fate for copies of the Koran, another religions holy book, is that the act resembles the same mentality as was afforded by those terrorist radical Muslims who boarded three planes on September 11th, 2001, intent on making a statement against the great Satan United States.
Comparing the burning of the Quran to the Muslims who boarded three planes on 9/11 is a very, very, very, very, stupid comparison. They do not even come close to degree and intent.
You do realize that repeating "very" indicates a mental disorder tantamount to installing multiple exclamation points at the end of a sentence?!
The burning of the Koran, the burning of American flags by Muslims in Muslim countries, the hijacking and crashing of United American flights into the WTC and the ground of Pennsylvania, all send the same message. Hate!
What permits this minister to do this, even though he was not given a permit by the city and Gainesville officials have threatened fines if he goes through with this, is the first amendment. Which says nothing about needing a permit, so as to effect ones freedom of speech. In fact, requiring one is a matter of conflict, but that's another post.
His conscience. Such as it is. Now I do not know if he did or did not apply for a permit.
But if he did should it be granted?
Well, when municipalities and towns grant permits to the Fred Phelps cult, so they can protest at American soldiers funerals, sure!
It's the right of free speech. Just as protesters that show up to oppose the Phelps cult, speak freely against his twisted notion of the one and only way to believe in the one and only god that sent him there.
What's interesting is, there is yet no press regarding Muslims responding by burning the Bible in retaliation.
What is also interesting that Muslims in Indonesia are pressuring the US to suppress free speech.
As are the radicals in Afghanistan. Who figure their terrorist tendencies may persuade us to shut up, else they'll kill an American(s), as they're already shouting for Obama's end.
Though one can only imagine what would transpire if this article did report that on 911, a Mosque in Gainesville was going to burn the Christian Bible.
I might imagine that the reaction would not be as strong as that of the Muslims.
I would not imagine protesters pressuring Indonesia or Saudia Arabia to stop the burning.
I would imagine, as many Muslims in Muslim countries have burned the American flag, the dead contractors blown up by IED's at roadside, to then hang their charred bodies over the side of a bridge somewhere in Iraq, wouldn't give a care if we did object! They kill us, because they hate us. Asking them to stop proving that, would be a stupid waste of time.
It would be a much hotter issue, pun intended, than we witness to date I'm sure. But none the less, it's the message that would be conveyed in either case.
That for some the supreme being they worship is thought to require their terrorist activities, their bigoted behaviors, in order to insure that beings supreme presence on it's created earth. As if a god requires mortal assistance to send the message, it's the only one there.
I would prefer Christians burning the Quran to Muslim committing terrorism and murdering innocent civilians any day.
It is not that God either requires mortal assistance it is that the true faith, the true religion must be defended from......those people.
Hopefully the Muslims will react in the same way as the did during the "Draw Muhammad Day".
Any faith who's faithful believe they are ordained or commanded by their god, to slaughter and oppress people in order to install one and only religion across the whole world, is not only terrorism cloaked in myth, but patently psychotic as is evidenced by creating a higher power, in their lower violently unconscious image. God creates the whole universe but needs people to make sure people know he's god? That wouldn't even qualify as a valid punch line in a joke.
And let's hope you're not speaking about all Muslims, with regard to reacting the same way as they did during the DMD.
Especially when, in a Muslim country, a teacher was threatened with lashing for gifting a teddy bear to a Muslim boy who chose to name it, "Muhammad". So drawing Muhammad Day, is the best way to inspire the terroristically inclined to come out of the woodwork with an excuse to exact violence yet again.
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KABUL - Hundreds of Afghans railed against the United States and called for President Barack Obama's death at a rally in the capital Monday to denounce an American church's plans to burn the Islamic holy book on 9/11.
The crowd in Kabul, numbering as many as 500, chanted "Long live Islam" and "Death to America" as they listened to fiery speeches from members of parliament, provincial council deputies, and Islamic clerics who criticized the U.S. and demanded the withdrawal of foreign troops from the country. Some threw rocks when a U.S. military convoy passed, but speakers shouted at them to stop and told police to arrest anyone who disobeyed.
The Gainesville, Florida-based Dove World Outreach Center announced plans to burn copies of the Quran on church grounds to mark the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, but has been denied a permit to set a bonfire. The church, which made headlines last year after distributing T-shirts that said "Islam is of the Devil," has vowed to proceed with the burning. (Continues)
I guess they figure, while they burn the American flag in Muslim countries and scream, death to America, that that is perfectly permissible because most American's can agree to disagree without killing each other.
Come Wednesday, it will be a very interesting update to this story. Especially if everyone there, and especially the minister leading the fire, are arrested by Federal officials.
As misplaced as the act is, burning the Koran so as to appear as intent on sending a message of hate and intolerance to Islam, as did the terrorists on the planes that flew into the WTC and the ground of PA on 9-11 intend to send their own message as death to America, and then succeeded in killing thousands of us and others, is simply a clashing of swords striking hate for hate.
Fascinating report. Can you imagine if a march occurred anywhere in the U.S. when a Muslim countries people burned the American flag and threatened death to that countries President?
We'd have a faction of American's here that would be across the street from that crowd, holding up signs calling the other protesters Xenophobic, and asking for tolerance of terrorists abroad, because we should love them like our brothers for lighting a fire.
The mistake the minister in Gainesville makes, is believing America is a Christian nation, founded on Christian principles. However, the example he sets in holding that erroneous belief, makes his ideal Christianity look just as terroristically inclined as radical Islam.
I look forward to Wednesday. It should be an interesting bit of news world wide.
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