and remember this?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUgNg7aD8M

Jun 19, 2010 -- 7:29PM, Armwar wrote:

and just be patient....he will deal with Israel.

www.americanthinker.com/2010/06/report_o...

The thing about paranoid folks is that it is often the case they perceive the truth faster than others...call me, uh, paranoid, but this has much credibility with me.

Maybe if President Obama really did say that, he meant it in the way that members of the Baha'i Faith do when they claim to be "world embracing" because "God has revealed Himself to humanity through a series of divine Messengers" including "Abraham, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Buddha, Jesus, and Muhammad" (quotes from www.bahai.org/ ).

Or maybe President Obama just meant that as a Christian, he worships the same God that Muslims do. If Jews, Christians, and Muslims all do worship the same God, then the three Abrahamic faiths don't have a lot of differences between them. After all, Christianity was once just one of many different First Century Jewish sects, and the Early Church Father John of Damascus considered Islam to be a Christian heresy.

Jun 19, 2010 -- 7:50PM, costrel wrote:

Jun 19, 2010 -- 7:29PM, Armwar wrote:

and just be patient....he will deal with Israel.

 

www.americanthinker.com/2010/06/report_o...

 

The thing about paranoid folks is that it is often the case they perceive the truth faster than others...call me, uh, paranoid, but this has much credibility with me.

Maybe if President Obama really did say that, he meant it in the way that members of the Baha'i Faith do when they claim to be "world embracing" because "God has revealed Himself to humanity through a series of divine Messengers" including "Abraham, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Buddha, Jesus, and Muhammad" (quotes from www.bahai.org/ ).

 

Or maybe President Obama just meant that as a Christian, he worships the same God that Muslims do. If Jews, Christians, and Muslims all do worship the same God, then the three Abrahamic faiths don't have a lot of differences between them. After all, Christianity was once just one of many different First Century Jewish sects, and the Early Church Father John of Damascus considered Islam to be a Christian heresy.

No, it is not possible.  As a Christian he does not worship the same God as a muslim or they would recogize His Son.

obama in the campaign, just as in governing, is who he needs to be depending upon the crowd he is addressing.   He could have been a Methodist last Wednesday.

Would it surprise me to see obama, at some point, openly embrace the muslim faith?  No.

Would it anger me?  Yes.  It shouldnt, because by now I am used to him lying, and within the muslim faith it is ok to be decietful when confronted with larger numbers of infidels.

 He could have been a Methodist last Wednesday.

No, that was Bush.   the convenient Methodist

Jun 19, 2010 -- 9:57PM, costrel wrote:

Jun 19, 2010 -- 8:18PM, TENAC wrote:

No, it is not possible.  As a Christian he does not worship the same God as a muslim or they would recogize His Son.



Muslims do recognize Jesus (whom Al-Qur'an terms "son of Mary" -- see, for instance, 3.45: "When the angels said: 'O Mary, God gives you news of a thing from Him, for rejoicing, (news of one) whose name will be Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in this world and the next, and one among the honored" [Ahmed Ali translation]). Muslims, though, from what I understand, do not consider him to be God's son, the incarnation of the Word of God, or the second person of the Trinity -- but as the passage quoted above states, they do consider him to be the Messiah. Muslims also worship the God of Abraham, who is the same God that Jews and Christians worship -- which is why the three faiths are known as the religions of Abraham.  So yes, Muslims do worship the same God as do Jews and Christians (as well as their newest sibling, the Baha'i Faith).
And if the Muslims, as you maintain, do not worship the same God as do the Christians (and then what about the Jews, from your perspective?) what do you consider Allah to be -- a figment of their imaginations or a demon masquerading as a deity, perhaps? Please explain your position in more detail. You cannot just get away with saying that Muslims worship a different God without explaining what this God must therefore be.



When have, please, have Christians ever "settled'  the unity of God, question?  If one posits Chalcedon, then there are present "two natures" of Jesus, and God the Father is still spirit:  What about Sabelianism, Monophysite, Gnostic, or Docetic Christanity? -- Latter-day Saints, whom Church of Christ or Southern Baptist Christians swear are not Chrisitians, don't believe in Triune Christianity, are they Christians?   Are the 14 million Mormons not Christians, because they believe that God had physical relations with the Mother Goddess, and produced his Son, Jesus Christ?
- As to the former Current Occupant and his being the erring United Methodist, as Costrel referenced, he never submitted to the discipline and instruction of meeting the Presiding Bishop of the UMC per the latter's request, perfectly part of the conception of "connectional" church principle of Mr Wesley.   He was not a good Methodist, because he avoided his bishop, whom the Book of Discipline required him to be in submssion (to) and accept a word from the whole Church.
These questions are somewhat interesting interesting, but to imagine that Western Christians have any particular unity in regard to "God' merely shows that folks are uniformed:  Please, does one believe in the filioque of Chalcedon, and does one thereby reject the 300 million Orthodox?
Do Mormon Christians worship the same God as fundagelicals?  What about the Shema of Judaism that says that "God is one" where, does Jesus fit in?

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