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4 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2010 - 3:33PM #51
rocketjsquirell
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While I am off reading Ken's article, here is a little something you all should see. 


Non-Violence Training from the Free Gaza Movement


When Greta Berlin, a leader of the Free Gaza Movement appeared on CNN  yesterday (June 1, 2010) she stated that the activists involved in the  "humanitarian" flotilla were trained in how to respond non-violently to  an Israeli boarding of their vessels.


Is this what she meant by non-violent training?


blog.camera.org/archives/2010/06/nonviol...


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h!!p://blog.camera.org/archives/2010/06/nonviolence_training_from_the.html

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2010 - 3:49PM #52
rocketjsquirell
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Ken


I don't know that I can argue a whole lot with most of what Friedman says. 

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2010 - 3:54PM #53
Heidi2027
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Jun 2, 2010 -- 2:11AM, NahumS wrote:


I received this from a parent who has a son in the Israeli navy:


The information below comes from my son who serves in the Navy and has just arrived home from Ashdod.

We realized that the flotilla of ships trying to reach Gaza was a provocation.     No one realized how heavily they were armed.  

Five of the ships were boarded by the naval commando in the early hours of this morning and surrendered without resistance.    The ships were taken to Ashdod, and the food they were carrying will be sent to Gaza, which as we know receives daily supplies of food, electricity and other essentials from the “Zionist entity” it refuses to recognize.

When the commando boarded the sixth ship, the Marmara, they faced armed resistance.     The gunmen – many of whom were clearly prepared to be “shahidin” , martyrs – jumped on them in an organized lynch and started to stab them and beat them with clubs, knives and metal poles.    After they grabbed one of our soldiers and threw him overboard, and started shooting the other soldiers with his rifle, they had no alternative but to open fire to protect themselves.    In such a situation, it is surprising there were so few casualties.     About ten IDF soldiers were injured, some seriously.    My son will start his day tomorrow visiting one of them, a former schoolmate, at Tel Hashomer hospital , before returning to Ashdod.

If any proof were needed of the “peaceful” intentions of the passengers of the ships, or at least this one, we received a very clear picture.

Please pass this on to whoever might be willing to listen to the truth!


 





These parents must be very proud of their sons and daughters.  Many, many prayers are said for them continually.


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He Who blessed our forefathers Abraham, Isaac and  Jacob - may He         bless the fighters of the Israel Defense Force, who stand guard  over our land and the         cities of our God from the border of Lebanon to the desert  of Egypt, and from the         Great Sea unto the approach of the Aravah, on the land, in the  air, and on the sea.


May HASHEM cause the  enemies who rise up against us to be struck down before         them. May the Holy One, Blessed is He, preserve and rescue our  fighting men from every         trouble and distress and from every plague and illness, and may  He send blessing and         success in their every endeavor.


May He lead our enemies under their sway  and may He grant them         salvation and crown them with victory. And may there be  fulfilled for them the verse: For         it is Hashem, your God, Who goes with you to battle your enemies  for you to save you.


Now let us respond: Amen.


www.ou.org/yerushalayim/prayers2.htm

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2010 - 4:14PM #54
rocketjsquirell
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A word from Bibi


Speaking  live to the nation, Netanyahu said, "The State of Israel faces  an attack of international hypocrisy. This is not the first time we have  faced this, two years ago we faced a massive attack of missiles fired  by Hamas who hid behind civilians. Israel went to great lengths to avoid  civilian casualties but who did the UN condemn? It condemned Israel."


. . .


It  is our right according to International law to prevent arms  smuggling to Gaza and that is why the naval blockade was put in place.  The flotilla intended to break the blockade, not to bring in emergency supplies which we allow to reach Gaza"


. . .


"The  takeover of five of the ships passed quietly. In the sixth ship,  our soldiers encountered an extreme group that supports Hamas terror.  This wasn't the "love boat" this was a flotilla of terror supporters."

"I talked to our soldiers, they were shot at. There was an attempt to  lynch them.
These are pacifists? The soldiers defended their lives with incomparable  restraint.
What would any other country do?  At best, they would act in the same  way, or much worse."

"Of course we regret the loss of life, but I ask the international  community what would you do instead? We'll continue to defend our  citizens and assert our right for self  defense, which is my first duty  as Prime Minister."


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www.jpost.com/Home/Article.aspx?id=17728...


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h!!p://www.jpost.com/Home/Article.aspx?id=177286


 


Like him or loathe him, Bibi is absolutely correct in this instance.


This is not a question of humanitarian aid for a beleaguered population. This is not some 21st century Berlin Air Lift. Thousands of tons of aid a day are delivered to Gaza from Israel by Israel, NGO's and foreign governments. The humanitarian needs of the population of Gaza are being met despite the best efforts of their rulers - Hamas - to prevent it.


This is a question of national survival for the State of Israel.


If the flotilla wanted to deliver aid - they would have done so through the regular channels. Their intent was not to deliver aid but to cause death (their own and/or others) and violence. They were armed and dangerous. The members of the flotilla should be condemned by every moral person.  

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2010 - 4:21PM #55
LeahOne
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CBN is biased.  But then so is 'commondreams'.  Big surprise:  humans can't be completely objective.

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2010 - 4:32PM #56
rocketjsquirell
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Another intersting article about Turkey, Irael and the whole megillah


From  friend to (almost certainly) foe






Following  the cynical use of the Palestinian issue by Erdogan and the AKP in the  flotilla fiasco, Turkey has officially become a player in this conflict.


www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/...

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2010 - 4:49PM #57
Heidi2027
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It is hypocrisy for members of radical Islam to pretend to enlist in humanitarian aid endeavors.  These martyr-wannabes were screaming Islamic chants and saying martyrdom would be even better than getting through the blockade.


The Palestinians themselves are being played like chess pieces in a game which will only end with the destruction of the Jewish State.  This religious hatred has engulfed the world -- and none are so blind as those who have eyes but refuse to see it.  These Palestinians will be sacrificed if and when convenient by Hamas and by the whole production company's puppeteer, Ahmadinejad. 


What is beyond comprehension is that many in the international community are willingly siding with those who don't respect human life at all.  Humanitarian aid is futile when death is just as welcomed.


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Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that change darkness into light, and light into darkness; that change bitter into sweet, and sweet into bitter! (Isaiah 5:20) 

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2010 - 5:08PM #58
Heidi2027
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Iran, Hamas seek global anti-Israel bloc


June 2, 2010


The Jerusalem Post reports: “An international front to break the  blockade on the Gaza Strip should be formed, Iranian President Mahmoud  Ahmadinejad said Tuesday in a phone conversation with Prime Minister  Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas, the Teheran Times reported.


‘This  criminal action revealed the real nature of the Zionists,’ Ahmadinejad  said, adding that now the approach of countries toward this outrageous  action would be a ‘test for their honesty.’


According to the Teheran  Times report Haniyeh said that Iran is the only nation that has  always been on the side of the Palestinian nation. ‘We should try to  revive the Palestinian nation’s violated rights and end the siege of  Gaza,’ he added.


On Monday, Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr  Mottaki thanked Europe and the international community for the ‘harsh  response’ to Israel's ‘barbaric commando operation,’ saying Iran  identified with the ‘shahids’ who were killed in the IDF raid on the  Gaza-bound flotilla…”




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www.jvim.com/

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2010 - 5:09PM #59
JAstor
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Jun 2, 2010 -- 4:14PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


A word from Bibi


Speaking  live to the nation, Netanyahu said, "The State of Israel faces  an attack of international hypocrisy. This is not the first time we have  faced this, two years ago we faced a massive attack of missiles fired  by Hamas who hid behind civilians. Israel went to great lengths to avoid  civilian casualties but who did the UN condemn? It condemned Israel."


. . .


It  is our right according to International law to prevent arms  smuggling to Gaza and that is why the naval blockade was put in place.  The flotilla intended to break the blockade, not to bring in emergency supplies which we allow to reach Gaza"


. . .


"The  takeover of five of the ships passed quietly. In the sixth ship,  our soldiers encountered an extreme group that supports Hamas terror.  This wasn't the "love boat" this was a flotilla of terror supporters."

"I talked to our soldiers, they were shot at. There was an attempt to  lynch them.
These are pacifists? The soldiers defended their lives with incomparable  restraint.
What would any other country do?  At best, they would act in the same  way, or much worse."

"Of course we regret the loss of life, but I ask the international  community what would you do instead? We'll continue to defend our  citizens and assert our right for self  defense, which is my first duty  as Prime Minister."


 . . .


www.jpost.com/Home/Article.aspx?id=17728...


 





Go Bibi Go!!!


This is why Israelis elected him. They may disagree with him on a lot of things but when it comes to telling it like it is there is no one better than he.

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2010 - 5:16PM #60
johndavid23
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The people who were aboard the ship, attempting to break Israel's blockade of Gaza, were fired upon by savage pirates while they were in international waters.  The Israeli pirates fired their machine guns before they boarded, aiming at heads and chests as Israel runs their sixty year old concentration camp.


If only the Israeli military had the wits to show that they had any respect for human life.  Pirate murderers are a bitter and damned lot.

Moderated by Merope on Jun 02, 2010 - 09:22PM
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