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4 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2010 - 10:11AM #11
Amin21
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Sometimes this traffic on the border can take hours... even though in actual distance more than two hours between Damascus and Beirut would seem a lot.
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4 years ago  ::  May 01, 2010 - 8:25PM #12
Ricky
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I am not an expert on military technology but have watched some discussions on the topic on CSPAN and other TV networks.  It has been discussed that there are infrared photos which are capable of detecting weaponry. Evidently, computerized tech is capable of ascertaining the contents of trucks and other vehicles if these contents are sophisticated weaponry.  Don't ask me how as I do not not understand any of it.


www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB13/


The above article discusses something about that.  It would take someone with expertise to discuss this at greater length. Still, there is no question that some visual proof can be obtained to prove the unproven allegation that wepaons are being transported.

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4 years ago  ::  May 01, 2010 - 8:40PM #13
LeahOne
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Of course 'visual proof' could be obtained - but that doesn't mean the press or the general public has any right to see that evidence.


The US has no obligation to its enemies to explain how we know whatever we know - nor do its allies.

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4 years ago  ::  May 01, 2010 - 8:55PM #14
Ricky
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But the government does have an obligation to explain its policies to the people. 


For months before Bush launched his imperialistic war on Iraq I wrote to  politicians and journalists  and asked why  satellite photos evidencing the claim that weaponry had been transported across the borders hadn't been presented to the public. Nobody replied. Now we are stuck with two wars that continue unabated and the far right is insisting on another one in Iran which will bankrupt us completely.  The only way to avert that is with truth which is something we don't get from the controlled news media.

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4 years ago  ::  May 01, 2010 - 9:07PM #15
LeahOne
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May 1, 2010 -- 8:55PM, Ricky wrote:


But the government does have an obligation to explain its policies to the people.


 


ONLY up to a point, and that's where national security is involved. 

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4 years ago  ::  May 03, 2010 - 10:58PM #16
Ricky
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"that's where national security is involved"


Nothing Saddam did involved our national security. Had Bush been taken to task as he should have been, and had he been compelled to disclose the "sources" of his WMD claims,  we would not have had that war.

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4 years ago  ::  May 04, 2010 - 12:27AM #17
LeahOne
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Ricky:  It's useless to try and discuss the subject when neither of us has the highest security clearancesince neither of us has access to the pertinent information.


In point of fact, snce there was no peace treaty signed  for Iraq back in '91 - the US had the right to resume hostilities over ANY violation of the cease-fire terms.  And there were many such.  So I can't agree with your comment that the second Guf war wouldn't have taken place if not for lies about WMD's, etc....  the Iraqis had actually provided sufficient provocation.


The US 'press corps', far from being the 'rightwing muthpiece' many have proclaimed it, seem at times to be so eager to 'scoop' everyone that they'd announce a military action in advance if possible.  (They bitched like crazy that nobody told 'em ahead of time that we were going to Grenada...) 


 During the first Gulf War, the 'press' kept pestering the military to tell them the recongition symbol our troops were using on vehicles, DUH!  As we all knew, the enemy was also watching those CNN press conferences....


 

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4 years ago  ::  May 05, 2010 - 8:00PM #18
Ricky
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"the Iraqis had actually provided sufficient provocation."


Read the Downing Street Memo and you will see how farcical that statement is.

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4 years ago  ::  May 05, 2010 - 9:07PM #19
LeahOne
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Ricky, are you asserting that there were no incursions into 'no fly' zones and that there were no incidents of our aircraft taking fire from Iraqi forces on the ground?


NB:  I find your usage of 'farcical'  quite misleading.  I'd have accepted 'inaccurate' .....

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4 years ago  ::  May 06, 2010 - 12:16PM #20
Amin21
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Saying Iraq was not a threat to American national security... shows a lack of understanding of modern economics at the very least...


Iran is a bigger threat than Iraq ever was... on that note...


as for the legality of the war...


The US was authorized by the UN to fly in certain areas of Iraq.


Iraq on numerous occasions broke the ceasefire agreements firing on those planes... in return the US bombed targets in Iraq... this occurred regularly for a decade... the cease fire agreement made at the end of the Gulf war was null and void that entire decade and technically there was still a state of war, so far as international law and agreements were concerned...

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