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4 years ago  ::  Mar 02, 2010 - 4:08PM #1
teilhard
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This morning I attended a Clergy Meeting at which a "Palestinian" Christian Pastor began his address to us with a LOAD of Racialist Genetic nonsense ... He CLAIMED that The Israelis are merely "European" Invaders and Occupiers of "Palestine" and that HIS People ( "The People of The Land," in his terms ) have REAL Middle-Eastern "DNA" in the line of Abraham, David, and The Historical Jesus of Nazareth ...


Where DO these Folks GET this Junk ... ???

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 02, 2010 - 5:34PM #2
rocketjsquirell
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Simple, they make it up. I hope you called him out on his lies, bigotry, racism and spewing of hatred.


The simple fact is that Islamic Arab nationalism is, in fact, racist (maybe it would be nicer to say particularistic, or xenophobic, or clannish). This is evident from the Judenrein policies of Islamic countries. Of course they are also anti-Christian, but since the Christians don't seem to care that their brethren are oppressed second class citizens or worse in Arab Islamic countries, I wonder if it is worth mentioning. 


I have some acquaintances who are members of the local Coptic Church, who are more than happy to tell anyone who will listen just how great it was to be a Christian in Egypt and about all the restrictions in education, employment and housing to which they were subject. Then there are my Christian Lebanese friends who were treated so well by their Muslim fellow Arabs that they had to flee to the US. 


Oh well, as we all know, it is Israel's fault, whatever the problem. Wink

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 02, 2010 - 6:21PM #3
LeahOne
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I'm just curious, Teilhard:  what did everyone else think of his spiel?


My favorite outrageous misinformation statement was years ago when Arafart stated gleefully "Jesus was one of us - he was a Palestinian". 


Just another case, IMHO, of serious Jew envy.  Some people love to pretend that they are us, and we are.....................nobody(to paraphrase our friend Buns).

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 02, 2010 - 7:01PM #4
teilhard
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A fellow Pastor sitting next to me agreed with me -- that the Speaker was endorsing a VERY nasty Racialist View ... Fortunately for me -- my Blood Pressure rising -- I had another Meeting, so had to leave before the Conclusion ...

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 03, 2010 - 5:38AM #5
CharikIeia
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Mar 2, 2010 -- 4:08PM, teilhard wrote:


This morning I attended a Clergy Meeting at which a "Palestinian" Christian Pastor began his address to us with a LOAD of Racialist Genetic nonsense ... He CLAIMED that The Israelis are merely "European" Invaders and Occupiers of "Palestine" and that HIS People ( "The People of The Land," in his terms ) have REAL Middle-Eastern "DNA" in the line of Abraham, David, and The Historical Jesus of Nazareth ...



The DNA stuff is stupid, but to claim Israel weren't a nation dominated by European immigrants is delusional. If Israel weren't the homeland of formerly European Jews, it would never have come into existence in the 20th century.

tl;dr
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4 years ago  ::  Mar 03, 2010 - 10:54AM #6
teilhard
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Mar 3, 2010 -- 5:38AM, CharikIeia wrote:


Mar 2, 2010 -- 4:08PM, teilhard wrote:


This morning I attended a Clergy Meeting at which a "Palestinian" Christian Pastor began his address to us with a LOAD of Racialist Genetic nonsense ... He CLAIMED that The Israelis are merely "European" Invaders and Occupiers of "Palestine" and that HIS People ( "The People of The Land," in his terms ) have REAL Middle-Eastern "DNA" in the line of Abraham, David, and The Historical Jesus of Nazareth ...



The DNA stuff is stupid, but to claim Israel weren't a nation dominated by European immigrants is delusional. If Israel weren't the homeland of formerly European Jews, it would never have come into existence in the 20th century.



I went to Public School ( in AMERICA ... !!! ) with friends and classmates who are of The People of Israel ( "Jewish" ) ... I never imagined that they were any LESS "Jewish" ( "Israelite" ) just because they " ... live and move and have their being ... " in North America ...  huh ...


Are "Arab" People who live outside The Middle East no longer "Arab" ... ???

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 03, 2010 - 11:37AM #7
LeahOne
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? - I'm not sure what Chari was trying to get at.  While 'Zionism' a la Hertzl was certainly initially 'European' - the concept fo returning to Zion was ALWAYS a part of Jewish belief (so far as I'm aware), since the first Exile in Babylon.  The yearning to be a free people in our own land has been part of Jewish hopes and dreams throughout the centuries - and indeed a  few returned every year.  Or sent their bones to rest in 'holy ground' there.


As far as the current population:  if an 'Arab' is one who lives in a ME nation and has a certain ethnicity and DNA - then OVER half of ALL Israeli Jews are indeed 'Arabs'.  As are about 100% of the nonJewish Israeli citizens (= 20% of total population).  That's over 60% total population who are 'certifiably' Arab.  And the latest groups to immigrate are from Africa and Asia.  Israel is certainly the most 'ethnically diverse' nation in the ME.

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 03, 2010 - 12:26PM #8
teilhard
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Yes ... "Racialist" nonsense is now and always has been ... nonsense ...

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4 years ago  ::  Mar 03, 2010 - 3:30PM #9
Father_Oblivion
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Nobody here even wants to bring up the huge number of people who cannot prove any ethnic connection yet come from Europe (can anyone say 'Russia'?) and may even be descended from people who oppressed Jews for millenia who now claim to be Jewish and inhabit the Occupied Territories?


The hypocrisy here is palpable.

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'American Gods'

‎"Ignorance of ignorance, then, is that self-satisfied state of unawareness in which man, knowing nothing outside the limited area of his physical senses, bumptiously declares there is nothing more to know! He who knows no life save the physical is merely ignorant; but he who declares physical life to be all-important and elevates it to the position of supreme reality--such a one is ignorant of his own ignorance."
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4 years ago  ::  Mar 03, 2010 - 3:54PM #10
teilhard
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Mar 3, 2010 -- 3:30PM, Father_Oblivion wrote:


Nobody here even wants to bring up the huge number of people who cannot prove any ethnic connection yet come from Europe (can anyone say 'Russia'?) and may even be descended from people who oppressed Jews for millenia who now claim to be Jewish and inhabit the Occupied Territories?


The hypocrisy here is palpable.



How is it "hypocrisy" -- in ANY respect -- to Understand and Accept the RIGHT of The People of Israel ("The Jews") to Define THEMSELVES as "Jewish" according to THEIR Understandings ... ???


Are you embracing The DNA Analysis approach ... ??? Do you Claim to have access to authenticated Data regarding some kind of "Jewish" Genetic Marker that can be identified by Lab Tests ... ???


Don't you see how TERRIBLY non-sensical such Racialist nonsense truly IS ... ???

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