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5 years ago  ::  Feb 07, 2010 - 12:08AM #161
Mlyons619
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So again, you have no problem with denying anyone associated with "Focus on the Family" their Constitutional right of free speech?


Too bad this is the USA and not some third world dictatorship. 


I'm GLAD that CBS stuck to its guns and is running the ad.  It's also running a Planned Parenthood counter-ad as well.


 

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5 years ago  ::  Feb 07, 2010 - 2:59AM #162
rabello
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Feb 7, 2010 -- 12:08AM, Mlyons619 wrote:


So again, you have no problem with denying anyone associated with "Focus on the Family" their Constitutional right of free speech?


Too bad this is the USA and not some third world dictatorship. 


I'm GLAD that CBS stuck to its guns and is running the ad.  It's also running a Planned Parenthood counter-ad as well.


 




Not talking about "free speech" -- the antichoice movement has lots of that, already.  Talking about a multi-million dollar paid-for "advertisement," the type of which CBS used to decline to run because of its potential to offend or upset large numbers of people -- before they got their own "family values" morals smeared by their Janet Jackson escapade, that is.  


But we'll see what she says.  If she says my doctor told me I had to get an abortion, then we'll know it's one of those truth-bending subliminal Madison Avenue-type advertisements, kind of like the ones that taught everyone that blondes have more fun.  If she says, on the other hand, that her doctor advised her that one of her options was termination of pregnancy, it'll be less of an undermining of doctors -- obstetricians and perinatologists, to be specific, in this case.  Not as sexy and emotionally-wrenching, for sure, but will be closer to the truth. 

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5 years ago  ::  Feb 07, 2010 - 7:30AM #163
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Let me be clear.  I think Focus on the Family has every right to produce and find donors to run whatever ad they wish to put forth. 


Likewise, I and others have the right to protest against their ad.


Originally, I used the word propaganda rather than ad.  I realized that I was jumping to conclusions based on their past actions.  Since I have not yet seen the ad, I did change the word propaganda to ad.


I am absolutely not a supporter of abortion.  I look forward to the day when abortions are virtually non-existent.  However, I am a huge supporter of individual rights.  And, I realize that my beliefs do not trump another persons individual rights.

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5 years ago  ::  Feb 07, 2010 - 11:39AM #164
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...Talking about a multi-million dollar paid-for "advertisement," the type of which CBS used to decline to run because of its potential to offend or upset large numbers of people...



Oh?  And you are saying that Planned Parenthood is a poor loose associations of individuals with no power or money, simply working out of goodness and saintliness?


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5 years ago  ::  Feb 07, 2010 - 11:43AM #165
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Feb 7, 2010 -- 11:39AM, Mlyons619 wrote:


...Talking about a multi-million dollar paid-for "advertisement," the type of which CBS used to decline to run because of its potential to offend or upset large numbers of people...



Oh?  And you are saying that Planned Parenthood is a poor loose associations of individuals with no power or money, simply working out of goodness and saintliness?


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Did I say something like that?    It isn't Planned Parenthood or NOW or NARAL who decided the Super Bowl would be the best place to undermine doctors with a multimillion dollar ad.  


As for CBS airing a counter-ad by Planned Parenthood during the Super Bowl, I'll have to see it.  I do know that Planned Parenthood has produced a video with famous athletes voicing their support of womens' right to choose; I have not seen a report that shows CBS will run it during the Super Bowl.  


Ad or no ad, my beef is with the untruth promulgated in the title of this thread, which is what set the "topic"

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5 years ago  ::  Feb 07, 2010 - 12:26PM #166
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And THAT makes FOTF the bad guys, eh?


Oh Boo-Hoo!


NARAL, PP, and NOW wudda done the same thing had they thought of it first.  To then turn around and DEMAND that CBS yank the ad just shows me what a bunch of lying hypocrites they have in those organizations. 


Again, I am glad CBS stuck to its guns.  Let FOTF's message get out.  NARAL, NOW and PP are invited to do the same for THEIR message.


The OP is RIGHT on target -- it DOES seem liberals are all for free speech - until Conservatives express their - at which times liberals scream, "Supress, supress, supress!"


Too bad we don't live in your lil' socialist nightmare world - yet...

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5 years ago  ::  Feb 07, 2010 - 12:45PM #167
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Feb 7, 2010 -- 12:26PM, Mlyons619 wrote:


The OP is RIGHT on target -- it DOES seem liberals are all for free speech - until Conservatives express their - at which times liberals scream, "Supress, supress, supress!"





The OP is a gratuitous swipe at "liberals" when the demonization is actually against womens' rights groups/activists.  


It would have been one thing to discuss the ad and the opposition to it without the narrow-minded ad homs, quite another to blast all liberals while at the same time refusing to consider, even for a second, the reasoning behind the opposition. 


This is what Sean James says on the PP You Tube video:


"We're working toward the day where every woman will be valued," James says in the ad, "where every woman's decision about her health and her family will be respected."


Hard to argue with that, although I've no doubt the foot soldiers of the anti choice movement will summarily reject the wisdom of that statement, too, in all their pent up, emotional outrages.


No reason to get mad.  You shall see your ad.  It won't change anybody's mind.  Certainly won't "unmask" the women of NOW as being the godless whatever the OP thinks they are.

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5 years ago  ::  Feb 07, 2010 - 12:50PM #168
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Do you not recall my link where the NOW spokeswoman demand the Tebow ad be pulled as "hate against women," which, of course the ad was not.


Just to refresh your memory.


You say the OP was a gratuitous swipe at liberals; I'll reply that in the case of certain liberal organizations, this so-called "gratuitous swipe" is highly accurate...

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5 years ago  ::  Feb 07, 2010 - 12:55PM #169
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I say we pull the shirt off Mrs. Tebow at halftime and see if she's secretly wearing a nipple-pierced star on her breast. This will prove once and for all that's she's a closet Women's Rights Activist and only doing the FOTF commercial for the money. Do it with The Who singing Who Are You and fireworks. ... and no teleprompters.


That's what I'm talkin' about!!!!


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5 years ago  ::  Feb 07, 2010 - 12:56PM #170
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