Jan 19, 2010 -- 2:13PM, KindredSai wrote:

 

Not true at all.  The Arabs were given the larger share.

When will you quote facts? Jews were given 56% of Palestinian Mandate.

Come on Sai, it is your facts that you are manipulating.  Prior to the 1948 war, the share given to the Arabs was considerably larger.

FOLLOWING the war between the Jews and the Arabs in 1948, the inhabited areas of the 14,000 square kilometers (left to be divided) were divided along cease-fire lines between Israel and Jordan/Egypt. 8,000 square kilometers, or 57% of the reduced area (which is only 6.7% of the original Mandate territory), became Israel. www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_overvi...

The real difference between Israel and most any other country is that the State of Israel was not simply taken, but created and accepted by a consensus in the League of Nations.  Can you say the same about the creation of any other country?

Most nations after WWII were created and accepted by the UN or League of Nations, it doesn't make it morally right if it was against the wishes of an indigenous population, this was agreed by the Colombian delegation in the League of Nations.

Please cite the evidence of any other country prior to 1960 and United Nations Resolution 1514,  that was granted Independence by either the League of Nations or the UN?  I don't even know where you got this Colombian delegation crap, but it certainly had nothing to do with the partition.

No, but your country more likely slaughtered the indigenous population.

It actually didn't. Israel however slaughtered it's indigenous population, created a climate of fear for non-Jews to leave and this was all endorsed by the League of Nations.

I know you need to continue repeating this lie, but facts show otherwise.  I would suspect that your country, somewhere in Europe was created by the slaughter of the indigenous people, but since I don't know which country, I can't site any proof.

Jan 19, 2010 -- 11:48PM, habesor wrote:

Kindredsai,

The Palestine mandate was partitioned twice. The first time Trans-Jordan was created. This was an Arab Emirate that later became the Kingdom of Jordan. The second partition was in 1948. Thus about 75-80 percent of the original mandate was awarded to the Arabs. That the Arabs choose to forget how much of the original mandate they actually received is not unusual. It is part of their self-image of victimhood. Today, it is fashionable to insist that Jordan is not Palestine, though two-thirds of its population are Palestinians and culturally/historically speaking cis-Jordan Arabs and Trans-Jordan Arabs have far more in common than the Arabs of the West Bank and Gaza. 

Habesor

Yes ... There already IS a "Palestinian" State in The Middle East

 -- it's called "Jordan" ...

Jan 20, 2010 -- 12:46PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:

Jan 20, 2010 -- 12:17PM, teilhard wrote:

Jan 19, 2010 -- 11:48PM, habesor wrote:

Kindredsai,

The Palestine mandate was partitioned twice. The first time Trans-Jordan was created. This was an Arab Emirate that later became the Kingdom of Jordan. The second partition was in 1948. Thus about 75-80 percent of the original mandate was awarded to the Arabs. That the Arabs choose to forget how much of the original mandate they actually received is not unusual. It is part of their self-image of victimhood. Today, it is fashionable to insist that Jordan is not Palestine, though two-thirds of its population are Palestinians and culturally/historically speaking cis-Jordan Arabs and Trans-Jordan Arabs have far more in common than the Arabs of the West Bank and Gaza. 

Habesor

 

Yes ... There already IS a "Palestinian" State in The Middle East

 -- it's called "Jordan" ...

That is why it isn't a two state solution but a three or four state solution. Frankly, I don't care how many "Plaestinian" states there are, as long as there is always an Israel in safe, secure, borders with its capital - Jerusalem - intact. 

I fully agree ... And no matter HOW hard Israel's Enemies PUSH-push-push,

The EXISTENCE of Israel is NOT a matter for "negotiation" ... It IS a FACT ...

Kindred

I might actually take your argument seriously, if it were not for the fact that between 1948 and 1967 Jordan annexed the "West Bank" and the "locals" were perfectly happy being Jordanians. (many still are) The desire of the "Palestinians" then was to create another "Palestinian" state in place of Israel. The whole point of the continual Arab war of aggression against Israel is the destruction of Israel and the destruction of the native (read Jewish) population. It is the one and only Arab goal. 

So, sorry Charlie, your argument just doesn't hold water, or pass the laugh test.

FOLLOWING the war between the Jews and the Arabs in 1948, the inhabited areas of the 14,000 square kilometers (left to be divided) were divided along cease-fire lines between Israel and Jordan/Egypt. 8,000 square kilometers, or 57% of the reduced area (which is only 6.7% of the original Mandate territory), became Israel. www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_overvi...

I see this Pro-Zionist website has cleverly put Transjordan into the argument, in fact I refer to the Western Mandate not the rest of the British Transjordan (original Mandate territory) which was created prior to Israel.

I refer to the Western Mandate which was to be 2 States, however 56% were given to Jews (400,000) over 800,000 Non-Jews.

Yet according to the Zionist mentality, justice solely applies to Jews.

Please cite the evidence of any other country prior to 1960 and United Nations Resolution 1514,  that was granted Independence by either the League of Nations or the UN?  I don't even know where you got this Colombian delegation crap, but it certainly had nothing to do with the partition.

After the Partition of India, Pakistan was recognised by the League of Nations.

I know you need to continue repeating this lie, but facts show otherwise.  I would suspect that your country, somewhere in Europe was created by the slaughter of the indigenous people, but since I don't know which country, I can't site any proof.

Then you suspect wrong, the Country that I'm from (I'll keep you guessing) did not have systematic ethnic cleansing to the same extent that Israel has been guilty of. In fact the indigenous population is a matter of debate due to the multiple conquests of the nation, so really the indigenous population has intermingled with multiple foreign invasions.