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1 year ago  ::  Nov 29, 2010 - 2:29PM #51
Tpaine
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Nov 27, 2010 -- 12:07AM, Timai wrote:


Oct 10, 2009 -- 11:45PM, davelaw40 wrote:


No, it does not. I am a member of independant local Church not officially tied with any other group. Yes, we are unofficilly tied to other groups; but thats another story.



Oct 10, 2009 -- 10:13PM, davelaw40 wrote:


are you advocating overthrowing the Government of the US in the name of the coming Kingdom?




Then, it would seem that you and the Apostle Paul are those advocating the overthrow of the Government of the United States of America whereas Jesus Christ never advocated overthrowing any government, as the Roman ruler Pontius Pilate was more favorable toward Jesus Christ than the religious authorities that were demanding His execution (speaking of health care relative to the Church and the Government).


Paul allegedly said this in a private letter to a church that was subsequently intercepted and became part of the Christian Bible:


"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places." (Ephesians 6:12)



Dave and I have debated here on Bnet and on other sites for several years and, while we often disagree about politics and religion, the idea that he would advocate overthrowing the American government is ludicrous. I have never seen such an advocacy in any of his posts.

"The genius of the Constitution rests not in any static meaning it might have had in a world that is dead and gone, but in the adaptability of its great principles to cope with current problems and current needs." -- Justice William Brennan: Speech to the Text and Teaching Symposium at Georgetown University,(October 12, 1985)
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1 year ago  ::  Nov 27, 2010 - 12:07AM #50
Timai
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Oct 10, 2009 -- 11:45PM, davelaw40 wrote:


No, it does not. I am a member of independant local Church not officially tied with any other group. Yes, we are unofficilly tied to other groups; but thats another story.




Oct 10, 2009 -- 10:13PM, davelaw40 wrote:


are you advocating overthrowing the Government of the US in the name of the coming Kingdom?





Then, it would seem that you and the Apostle Paul are those advocating the overthrow of the Government of the United States of America whereas Jesus Christ never advocated overthrowing any government, as the Roman ruler Pontius Pilate was more favorable toward Jesus Christ than the religious authorities that were demanding His execution (speaking of health care relative to the Church and the Government).


Paul allegedly said this in a private letter to a church that was subsequently intercepted and became part of the Christian Bible:


"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places." (Ephesians 6:12)

"If you believe you are going to reign with and/or rule the the earth with a returned Jesus Christ, and you have any points of disagreement with Him, then you are at odds not only with Christ, but His Father in heaven." Christian Commander-in-Chief.

Oftentimes, "the brass ring only comes around once," so if you chose to oppose or harass Him, you have no one to blame but yourself.
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2 years ago  ::  Jun 26, 2010 - 11:55AM #49
Timai
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This country has been and remains the foremost example of prosperity around the world. We have also enjoyed a stable government for 200 or more years unlike many other countries, which is another reason to envy us. It would appear that God has blessed the United States of America, for the time being, but that could change, as it did for the nation of Israel.


Our system of government is largely a "pyramid scheme" depending on increased productivity and earnings power of each new generation to pay off the now enormous national debt including that incurred through national healthcare initiatives. However, my perception of the present new generations is that they themselves are requiring ever increasing amounts of costly social services at younger and younger ages, that further contributes to the esculating social and medical services budgets (and deficits) at every level of United States government; federal, state, and local. The cost of such services is enormous and the effectiveness of such programs in achieving cures is almost non-existent, such as from illicit and prescription drug dependence.


We seem to have the most advanced, life-sustaining medical treatment facilities in the world, but their cost of treatment increase in recent years has been almost exponential. Simple preventive health care measures, such as small amounts of physical exertion in routine daily tasks, have largely been eliminated. Fast food also predominates, and even more traditional food establishments are not offerring nutritious foods, but rather excessively tasty non-nutritious foods. The result is a nation with a predominately over-weight and/or obese population with ever increasing health problems at ever increasing costs.


The "kingdom of God" is a dictatorship, with a righteous leader, unlike any of those otherwise found in humanity. The United States was a good imitation for a long time and was apparently blessed by God for a long time, but it is an interim government, unlike the eternal dictatorial coming kingdom of God and Jesus Christ.


There is no substitute for the righteous dictatorship of the Kingdom of God and Jesus Christ.

"If you believe you are going to reign with and/or rule the the earth with a returned Jesus Christ, and you have any points of disagreement with Him, then you are at odds not only with Christ, but His Father in heaven." Christian Commander-in-Chief.

Oftentimes, "the brass ring only comes around once," so if you chose to oppose or harass Him, you have no one to blame but yourself.
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2 years ago  ::  Jan 10, 2010 - 6:48PM #48
Icecreamassassin
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Jan 7, 2010 -- 10:36PM, Timai wrote:


Oct 10, 2009 -- 10:11PM, davelaw40 wrote:


I'm a HOST; unlike you I don't have to stay on Topic




Question for you Dave: If someone on Beliefnet has sent me a private message, but they preclude my responding to them by Private Message, as I am not on their friends list, how do I answer them without creating an off-topic post? Further, to creat an on-topic discussion to address them might put it in a forum area that they don't read.


Clearly, I could send them a friendship request, but my position was that I'd send a friendship request after we had at least one verbal exchange. They have sent me a private message, but I can not have a verbal (written) exchange with them because I am not on their friend's list.


As kind of an aside on this friend's list stuff, my personal experience is you really have to interact with someone for at least two years before you really get to know them. (Many others have cited this position to me as well, particularly when contemplating a marriage partner.) The context here of a friend's list seems to have a different definition of how persons become friends. I will grant you that through a common defined set of emotionally binding beliefs, including some hobbies, friends do occur sometimes on the first meeting.




 


Me?  I inherently distrust do as I say, not as I do, types. 

“Some of the most wonderful people are the ones who don't fit into boxes.” — Tori Amos
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2 years ago  ::  Nov 30, 2009 - 7:21PM #47
Hatman
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Timai-


You asked if faith healers could be sued?  Of course!  Especially when said faith healers take large "donations"(usually in cash) and then fail to heal as requested.  And it should be so, as many faith healers are simply running confidence games, and have naught to do with God at all, save perhaps to sully His Name and reputation by inference.


Now, those who ARE cured by their faith-in-action do not sue, as there's simply no need or desire; the gratitude for the healing supersedes or eliminates any desire to punish for failure to perform.


This would be similar, imo, to the "laws" that protect the virus-vaccine makers from lawsuits for any deaths or injuries that may result from the use of their products; after all, if the vaccine mfr's are certain their products are safe and effective, they need fear no lawsuit, right?  OTOH, since they are now "protected" from such lawsuits, what will the bean-counters in those big pharma corps do to their quality control departments, eh?  After all, they're now insulated from having to pay damages to anyone for any failure they might have, right?


Isn't "Trust me" one of the late George Carlin's Big Three of lies?


Warmest regards-


Hatman


 

"History records that the moneychangers have used every form of abuse, deceit, intrigue, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance."
-- James Madison(1751-1836), Father of the Constitution for the USA, 4th US President
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2 years ago  ::  Nov 30, 2009 - 2:34AM #46
Hatman
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Timai-


First, as to your signature line, it is a re-wording of one of Solomon's Proverbs; as found in the Bible, it reads, "Even a fool who keeps silent is considered wise..."


The version you have may well have been spoken or written by Lincoln, but i suspect that he got it from Ben Franklin's Poor Richard's Almanac, to whom that adaptation is most often attributed.


Second, there's a rather large difference between a lawyer and an attorney; the latter stems from the men who "attorned" the once-freeman's lands over to the Norman king (and his favorites) after King Harold lost his eye before losing the battle of Hastings, 1066AD.


Third, the State---in the form of judges---may well sanction and/or recommend disbarment, but it is the private corporation known as the BAR association that disciplines it's members.


The practice of Law is a common right, and cannot lawfully BE licensed.


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I. AS PER THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT;


 


A. The practice of Law CAN NOT be licensed by any state/State


Schware v.Board of Examiners, 353 U.S. 238, 239


 


B. The practice of Law is AN OCCUPATION OF COMMON RIGHT!


Sims v. Aherns, 271 S.W. 720 (1925)


 


II. The "CERTIFICATE" from the State Supreme Court:


 


1. ONLY authorizes,


 


A. the practice Law "IN COURTS" as a member of the


STATE JUDICIAL BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT.


 


B. Can ONLY represent WARDS OF THE COURT.


 


1. INFANTS


2. PERSONS OF UNSOUND MIND SEE:


CORPUS JURIS SECUNDUM, VOLUME 7, SECTION 4.


 


C. "CERTIFICATE" IS NOT A LICENSE....


 


1.  To practice Law AS AN OCCUPATION.


2. Nor to DO BUSINESS AS A LAW FIRM!!!


 


 


 


 


III. The "STATE BAR" CARD IS NOT A LICENSE!!!


 


A. It is a "UNION DUES CARD"


 


B. The "BAR" is a "PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION."


 


1. Like the Actors Union, Painters Union, etc.


2. No other association, EVEN DOCTORS, issue their own license.


ALL ARE ISSUED BY THE STATE.


 


C. It is a NON-GOVERNMENTAL PRIVATE ASSOCIATION.


 


1. See Attorney General Dan Morales' letter.


2. As per this letter; the State does not issue licenses and they are not


issued by his office!


 


IV. The State Bar is;


 


A. An Unconstitutional Monopoly, Article 1, Section 26, Texas Bill of Rights


 


B. AN ILLEGAL & CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE;


 


C. Violates Article 2, Section 1, Separation of Powers clause of the Constitution.


 


D. There is NO POWER OR AUTHORITY for joining of Legislative, Judicial, or


Executive as the BAR and SUPREME COURT OF TEXAS are doing.


ALL MEMBERS OF BOTH ARE MONOPOLISTIC BAR MEMBERS!


 


E. In violation of the RIGHT TO WORK LAWS of Texas. V. State Bar Rules. . .


at Article III, Section 2. . .


Enrollment in the State Bar: "Each person who becomes licensed to practice law is


REQUIRED TO ENROLL IN THE STATE BAR WITHIN 10 DAYS


"BEFORE" OR "AFTER RECEIVING A LICENSE TO PRACTICE LAW.


 


ENROLLMENT IN THE BAR AND LICENSE ARE NOT THE SAME.


 


THE BAR CAN NOT LICENSE ANYONE!!!!!


 


It is quite simple to see that a great fraud and conspiracy has been perpetrated on the


people of Texas and America. The American Bar is an offshoot from London Lawyers' Guild


and was established by people with treasonous goals in mind.


They have accomplished 98% of their goals.


The NEW WORLD ORDER is in the saddle NOW. American People start the job for them..


or before their "NEW WORLD ORDER" bosses, the International Bankers, gain


the remaining 2%. Texas and American Lawyers should check historical records


They will find that the first people "ELIMINATED" in a power shift (no matter who whines)


are the lawyers and judges...for they always have proven themselves unworthy of


any trust from either side!


 


VI. The AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION TRAITORS IN OUR MIDST:


 


The founding Fathers who wrote our Constitution and formed our government,


made it very clear that this was to be a FREE ENTERPRISE country and all


Citizens are to be equal under Law and not a private capitalistic monopoly


or cartel as they had experienced in Europe.


 


Under free enterprise system, any Citizen who was willing to risk his time


and finances, can go into business. The public with the freedom of choice,


can patronize this business or decide they don't like the service or product


and stay away; whereas, in a private or a capitalistic system, only the


privileged elite can go into certain businesses or professions such as had


been practiced in Europe for ages, making the public their CAPTIVE CUSTOMERS


 


 


The EUROPEAN BANKERS and FINANCIAL CARTELS decided to change AMERICA


to the same system that they had so they could take over this government too, and


sent some British lawyers over here to organize an American Bar Association


on the same order as the English Bar where only Lords can be Judges and


determine who shall practice law.


 


In 1909 they incorporated this TRAITOROUS group in the state of Illinois and


had the State Legislature (which was under the control of lawyers) pass an


unconstitutional law that only members of this powerful union of lawyers,


called the ABA, could practice law and hold all the key positions in law


enforcement and the making of laws. At that time, Illinois became an outlaw


state and for all practical purposes, they


seceded from the United States of America.


 


VII. The BAR ASSOCIATION


then sent organizers to all the other states and explained to the lawyers there how much


more profitable and secure it would be for them, as lawyers, to join this union and be


protected by its bylaws and cannons. They issued to the lawyers in each state a charter from


the Illinois organization. California joined in 1927 and a few reluctant states and their lawyers


waited until the 1930's to join when the treasonous act became DE FACTO and


the Citizen's became captives.


Under this system, the lawyers could guarantee prejudged decisions for the privileged class


against the lower class.


This was all made possible by the AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION


to favor the right and have unlawfully substituted them


in place of Constitutional Laws.


 


What is the real difference between the dreaded "Klansman" in white robes and fiery crosses


and the ABA "Klansmen" in the BLACK ROBES sitting on the bench?


 


Aren't they as dictatorial as the KGB and the GESTAPO are accused of being?


This has fulfilled Orwell's prediction for 1984 and made it a fact,


THE BLACK ROBE CULT.


 


Various groups that have been lawfully stone walled by the ABA and the courts


suggest we join hands and file an initiative to abolish the Bar Association as there


are 17 states where Citizens have the Right to do this by the voting process.


 


If we can do this it will destroy, the power of the Bar in America with similar method


they used to gain their power, state by state. Any Citizens who live in one of these 17 states,


can do this, and if you're not in one of these 17 states you can contribute to other states that can.


 


Who is going to run the Courts and practice law if we outlaw the BAR?


The CONSTITUTIONAL COMMON LAW COURTS and COMMON LAW


non-Union COUNSELORS.


I would like to remind you that the Constitution was written in plain English and the Statutes


passed by Congress were also in plain English, with the intent of Congress how each law


should be used and not the opinions of various Judges as the codes list.


 


Any normal person can read the Constitution and Statutes and understand them without


any trouble. The public in California was shocked to learn that the State Government has


no control or jurisdiction over the Bar Association or its members.


The state does not accredit the law schools or hold Bar examinations.


 


They do not issue state licenses to LAWYERS. The Bar Association accredits all the law schools,


holds their private examinations and selects the students they will accept in their organization


and issues them so-called license but keeps the fees for themselves.


 


The Bar is the only one that can punish or disbar a Lawyer. They also select the lawyers that


they consider qualified for Judgeships and various other offices in the State.


 


Only the Bar Association or their designated committees can remove any of


these lawyers from public office.


The State Legislature will not change this


system as they are also a designated committee of the Bar.


 


On August 21, 1984, Rose Bird, Chief Justice of the California State Supreme Court,


another of the Bar Associations Judicial Committee's, stated in essence that the Bar


should determine the legality of all initiatives before they were allowed to go on the ballot.


This is contrary to both State and Federal Constitutions, as well as the Laws of this Nation


instituted By and For the People as a Sovereign UNITY of Independent States of


We The People, not a fraudulent Corporate entity of Lawyers.


 


This is a tremendous amount of power for a PRIVATE union that is


incorporated and headquartered in Illinois to hold over the Citizens of


California or any other state.


 


The only recourse is through this initiative process and vote by the people.


After the Founding Fathers had formed the Constitution, outlining the laws as to the way our


government was to be run, Thomas Jefferson said, in essence, "This proves that plain people,


if given the chance, can enact laws and run a government as well as or better than


royalty and the blue bloods of Europe."


 


The American people must stop thinking that lawyers are better than they are and can do a


better job than they can before the courts of America. Under the Common Law and the


Laws of America, no where is it expressly given for anyone to have the power or


the right to form a Corporation.


 


Corporations are given birth because of ignorance on the part of the


American people and are operating under implied consent and power which they


have usurped and otherwise stolen from the people. By RIGHT AND LAW THEY


HAVE NO POWER, AUTHORITY OR JURISDICTION, and must be put out of business by


the good Citizens of America in their fight for FREEDOM.


 


We cannot hope to reclaim our Country if we continue to let that beast stay in our bed and in


our homes. It is imperative that we remove this demon from its throne and put


OUR CONSTITUTIONAL COMMON LAW COURTS and JUSTICE SYSTEM,


back into effect. We must stop worrying about what someone else will think,


this is our country and we have foreign entities attempting to take control


of us and our Nation.


 


These children of Satan have nothing good in store for any of us, and those


who are ignorant enough to believe their lies, deceit, and conspiracy,


deserve just what they receive because they ask for it.


 


IX. MOST LAWYERS are OUR ENEMY:


 


The small handful that are good must get on the right side and help us win this war, or they are


not on our side. There can be no more sitting on the fence, people must decide


which side they are on and fight.


 


Lawyers that claim to be on our side and are later found out to be traitors, must be put to death,


as this is just what they have planned for all Americans who do not abide by their rules and


regulations. Americans cannot win the war if they allow traitors to infiltrate our tanks and get


away with it. The enemy Americans are fighting is a deadly enemy, that care nothing for anyone


out of their own ranks, and if you turn your back on them, you could be their next victim.


 


X. "TREASON"


 


LAWYER AND LAWYER-JUDGE COURTS ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL:


 


Since the BIGGEST CRIMES in the world are committed in the courtrooms by lawyers and


lawyer-judges AGAINST the people, as the lawyers and their bar associations, which are


affiliated with each other INTERNATIONALLY, have joined in the INTERNATIONAL


CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE PEOPLE of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA to


DESTROY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FROM WITHIN (TREASON).


 


They have already taken over the courts and the government, and ALL political parties,


where they all take orders from ONE FRONT OFFICE, the offices of the internationally


affiliated bar associations, make a ONE PARTY "SYSTEM," the BAR ASSOCIATION PARTY.


 


This necessitated an URGENT need to form a 2nd political party, the ANTI LAWYER PARTY,


where all lawyers and those who attended law school are barred from this 2nd party (ALP).


All the states have unconstitutional aristocratic courts, as their constitutions and/or unconstitutional


"lawyer systems" require judges to be lawyers, creating a RULING CLASS,


which is FORBIDDEN by Article IV, Section 4, of the U.S. Constitution,


the 13th Amendment and Article I, Section 26 of the Texas Constitution.


 


XI. The U.S. Constitution GUARANTEES


 


to every state in this union a REPUBLICAN FORM of government. Any other form of


government is FORBIDDEN. No public officer or branch of government can be limited to


a RULING CLASS of any kind, or the states become ARISTOCRACIES and NOT republics.


Also, the lawyers have made themselves 1st Class Citizens, where many public offices


and branches of government are open to lawyers only.


 


All other people are limited to only two branches of government and to only certain offices in


those two branches of government, making all people who are non-lawyers


into 2nd class subject citizens.


 


When the courts belong to the people, as the United States Constitution REQUIRES,


(Article IV, Section 4, we the people, will NEVER rule against themselves.


 


In these Unconstitutional courts foreign tribunals (hoodlum centers), sit "men" in black dresses, that


are Unconstitutional ROBES OF NOBILITY. (Article 1, Section 9 and 10) with a lot of  hanky-


panky and hocus pocus, dispense a perverted IDIOTology, where the people are terrorized by


members of the BLACK ROBE CULT (lawyers and lawyer judges in the courtrooms).


 


The legislative branch of government does NOT have the Constitutional Power


to issue Court Orders or any other kind of Orders.


 


ONLY presidents and governors have the Constitutional Power to grant PARDONS


but lawyers and lawyer-judges are unconstitutionally granting PARDONS with


immunity from prosecution.


 


Citizens are not permitted to act like people in the courts.


The Citizen (2nd class) is told that he does not know how to fill out fancy lawyer forms


that he is not trained in the law; that he does not know court rules and procedures; etc.


 


This is Unconstitutional "lawyer system," only HEARSAY SUBSTITUTES (lawyers)


NOT under oath, have access to the courts, even though ONLY sworn testimony


and evidence can be presented in court. [and testimony is not possible by a lawyer]


Anything else is Bill of Attainder, NOT permitted under the U.S. Constitution


(Article 1, Sections 9 and 10).


 


The U.S. Constitution does NOT give anyone the right to a lawyer or the


right to counsel, or the right to any other HEARSAY SUBSTITUTE.


The 6th Amendment is very SPECIFIC, that the accused ONLY has the right to the


ASSISTANCE of counsel and this ASSISTANCE of counsel CAN BE ANYONE THE


ACCUSED CHOOSES WITHOUT LIMITATION.


 


XII. LAWYERS and LAWYER-JUDGES:


 


Created Unconstitutional "lawyer system" pre-trial "motions" and "Hearings" to have eternal


EXTORTIONISTIC litigations, which is BARRATRY and also is in violation of the


U.S. Constitution, and Article 1, Section 14 of the Texas Constitution as this places defendants


in DOUBLE JEOPARDY a hundred times over.


Defendants only have a right to A TRIAL, NOT TRIALS.


 


When a criminal is freed on a TECHNICALITY, HE IS FREED BECAUSE OF A FIX


and a PAY-OFF, as a defendant can only be freed if found innocent


BY A JURY NOT BY ANY "TECHNICALITY."


 


Whenever a lawyer is involved in a case directly or indirectly, as a litigant or assisting in counsel,


ALL LAWYER-JUDGES HAVE TO DISQUALIFY THEMSELVES,


AS THERE CANNOT BE A CONSTITUTIONAL TRIAL and also there would be a violation


of the conflict of interest laws, along with the violation of separation of powers and checks and


balances, because "OFFICERS" OF THE COURT ARE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BENCH.


 


These same LAWYER-JUDGES are awarding or approving LAWYER FEES, directly and


indirectly, amounting to BILLIONS OF DOLLARS annually, all in violation of


conflict of interest laws.


 


Since crime and treason are against the law, and the lawyer profession is a crooked profession,


a LEGAL BOUNTY should be placed on ALL LAWYERS (betrayers) and all those who


are aiding and abetting these TRAITORS, the lawyers.


 


As long as there are lawyers, there will never be any law, constitution or justice.


There will only be MOB RULE, RULE BY A MOB OF LAWYERS (TRAITORS).


 


IXV. CASE "LAW" IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL:


 


As CASE "LAW" IS ENACTED BY THE JUDICIAL BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT.


 


When a lawyer-judge instructs, directs, or gives orders to a jury, the lawyer-judge is


TAMPERING WITH THE JURY.  He also tampers with testimony when he orders the answers


to be either "yes" or "No." The lawyer --judge also tampers, fixes, and rigs the trial when he


orders anything stricken from the record, or when he "rules" certain evidence and the truth to be


inadmissible.  This makes the trial and transcript FIXED and RIGGED, because the jury does


not hear the REAL TRUTH and ALL THE FACTS.


Juries are made into puppets by the lawyers and lawyer-judges.


 


All lawyers are automatically in the judicial branch of government, as they have the


Unconstitutional TITLE OF NOBILITY (Article 1, Sec tion 9 and 10), Officer of the court."


 


Citizens have to be elected or hired to be in any branch of government but non-lawyer Citizens


are limited to only 2 of the 3 branches of government. Lawyers as 1st class citizens, can be hired


or elected to any of the three branches of government. Lawyers, "Officers of the Court," in the


Judicial Branch, are Unconstitutionally in 2 branches of government AT THE SAME TIME


whenever they are hired or elected to the executive or legislative branches.  This is a violation


of the separation of powers, checks and balances, and the conflict of interest laws.


 


District attorneys and State's attorneys have taken over the Grand Juries


FROM the people, where the people are DENIED ACCESS to the grand juries when


they attempt to present evidence of crimes committed in the courtrooms by


the lawyers and lawyer-judges. TRY TAKING THIS MATERIAL TO THE GRAND JURIES!


 


The U.S. Constitution, being the Supreme Fundamental Law, is not and CANNOT be ambiguous


as to be interpreted, or it would be a worthless piece of paper and we would have millions of


interpretations (Unconstitutional amendments) instead of the few we have now.


That is why all judges and public servants are


SWORN TO SUPPORT the U.S. Constitution, NOT interpret it.


 


Imagine hypothetically how stupid it would be if any constitution stated, that the judicial branch


of government has the power to interpret this constitution."


 


ORGANIZED CRIME never existed until the BAR ASSOCIATION took over OUR COURTS


and OUR GOVERNMENT.


Now crime is organized internationally, just as the Bar Associations are organized.


Some of their international affiliations include but are not limited to


THE INTERNATIONAL JUDICIAL ASSOCIATION; INTERNATIONAL


TRIAL LAWYERS ASSOCIATION; WORLD PEACE THROUGH LAW CENTER;


WORLD ASSEMBLY OF JUDGES: et al. This means that the Bar Associations are not only the


INTERNATIONAL CRIME SYNDICATE, but also the INTERNATIONAL WORLD


GOVERNMENT and INTERNATIONAL COMMUNIST PARTY.


 


XV. Under INTERNATIONAL ORDERS:


 


ALL LAWYERS, whether they left law school yesterday or 50 years ago,


are EXACTLY THE SAME. All lawyers have to file the same motions and follow the same


procedures in using the same Unconstitutional "lawyer system" of hanky panky and hocus pocus,


and to DESTROY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FROM WITHIN by


always ruling AGAINST THE PEOPLE. ALL LAWYERS AND LAWYER JUDGES


ARE GUILTY OF "TREASON."


 


IN PROBATE, the lawyers place themselves in everyone's will and estate.


When there are minor children as heirs, the lawyer-judges appoint a lawyer


(a child molesting Fagin) for EACH CHILD and, at times, the lawyer fees EXCEED


the total amount of the estate.


 


An OUTRAGEOUS amount of TAX "MONEY" is directly and indirectly STOLEN BY


LAWYERS. Money that is budgeted to County Boards, School Boards and other


local and federal agencies eventually finds its way into the pockets of


lawyers, as ALL of these agencies are "TRICKED" and "FORCED" into ETERNAL


EXTORTIONISTIC LITIGATION.


 


All lawyers are programmed to be "TRAITORS AND INHUMAN CLONES."


WALK SOFTLY AMERICANS AND CARRY A BIG STICK


 


Most importantly don't be afraid to use it. We are under vicious assault and


we must make use of every resource we have, or give in to their slavery.


COPY AND SPREAD WIDELY, SEND COPIES TO THE CRIMINAL LAWYERS AND LAWYER-JUDGES


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Utilize any of the foregoing information at your own risk and discretion; i trust, however, that you are now better-informed as to at least a portion of the deception practiced upon yourself and millions of others in America. i do not personally subscribe to many of the more shrill opinions expressed above, nor would I mischaracterize "all" attorneys as being, for example, "child-molesting Fagin's," an ad hominem generalization that I abhor.


But what any of the foregoing has to do with healthcare and churches in America is kinda lost on me.  *scratches head*


Warmest regards-


Hatman



 


 


 

"History records that the moneychangers have used every form of abuse, deceit, intrigue, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance."
-- James Madison(1751-1836), Father of the Constitution for the USA, 4th US President
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2 years ago  ::  Nov 29, 2009 - 8:44PM #45
davelaw40
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IOW, you are ignoring your own advice; falsly attributed to Lincoln

Non Quis, Sed Quid
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3 years ago  ::  Oct 11, 2009 - 5:31PM #44
dblad
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Timai... 


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3 years ago  ::  Oct 11, 2009 - 5:04PM #43
Timai
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Oct 11, 2009 -- 2:57PM, Tpaine wrote:


Without the New Testament there would be no basis for Christian belief, so despite the existence of the Nicene Creed, the validity of the religion is dependent on the truth and accuracy of the Christian Bible just as Islam is dependent upon the truth and accuracy of the Qur'an.




Be honest with yourself. For those scholarly enough to read and comprehend even the gospel accounts of the New Testament, the Bible is but a source of inspiration, encouragement and hope most often during times of personal tribulations. The most often recognized passages of scripture among those that have made a great effort to read and understand the gospel accounts are those that recognize the downtrodden as Jesus' "chosen ones". But, did not Jesus choose these select few and even others of higher stature positions as they were the only ones that would listen and agree with him?


One way of viewing the Nicene Creed is it is an opportunity for the non-scholarly Christians to participate in the faith. Further, the Nicene Creed represents a coherent, group agreed on, summary of what historical religious scholars believed was a central basis of the Christian faith. Without the Nicene Creed, each potential Christian convert is left to believe what any other group of Christians indoctrinates them with or to read the appropriate Bible passages and decide on their own. 


In my own personal life experiences, the oppressed and downtrodden easily change their personality characteristics upon achieving a higher stature or position in life, and vice-versa. That is to say, the characteristics of people are basically the same, whether they are rich or poor, important or not, etc. I think we also need to recognize that the founders of this country were mostly not poor, downtrodden people. They mostly had just had enough with being managed by a distant government on a different continent.

"If you believe you are going to reign with and/or rule the the earth with a returned Jesus Christ, and you have any points of disagreement with Him, then you are at odds not only with Christ, but His Father in heaven." Christian Commander-in-Chief.

Oftentimes, "the brass ring only comes around once," so if you chose to oppose or harass Him, you have no one to blame but yourself.
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3 years ago  ::  Oct 11, 2009 - 2:57PM #42
Tpaine
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Oct 10, 2009 -- 7:52PM, Timai wrote:


Well hatman, getting back to healthcare, if you will allow me to continue. The following passage seems like a good beginning to a personal health care plan:


"We believe (I believe) in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, and born of the Father before all ages. (God of God) light of light, true God of true God. Begotten not made, consubstantial to the Father, by whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven. And was incarnate of the Holy Ghost and of the Virgin Mary and was made man; was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, suffered and was buried; and the third day rose again according to the Scriptures. And ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of the Father, and shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, of whose Kingdom there shall be no end. And (I believe) in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father (and the Son), who together with the Father and the Son is to be adored and glorified, who spoke by the Prophets. And one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We confess (I confess) one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for (I look for) the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen."


I put particular emphasis on: "and shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, of whose Kingdom there shall be no end."


Now isn't that simpler than everybody learns the Bible inside and out and in essence becomes a "Bible attorney"? With "Bible attorneys" it comes to the point where you are going to have to even begin citing Bible passage case history precedence, that may even ultimately result in the need for a Bible interpretation Supreme Court.




Timai, the problem with your concept is that the Nicene Creed is valueless to non-Christians. We do not believe the Christian mythology. Remember, in the US, belief in a given religion or even a divine being or beings is not a requirement. Everybody doesn't have to learn the Bible "inside out." It is the holy book of only one religion. There are other books considered by some to be the "Word" of their deities. The Qur'an, the Vedas, the Tao Te Ching, the Avesta, the Tanakh, and the Talmud are some examples. Without the New Testament there would be no basis for Christian belief, so despite the existence of the Nicene Creed, the validity of the religion is dependent on the truth and accuracy of the Christian Bible just as Islam is dependent upon the truth and accuracy of the Qur'an.

"The genius of the Constitution rests not in any static meaning it might have had in a world that is dead and gone, but in the adaptability of its great principles to cope with current problems and current needs." -- Justice William Brennan: Speech to the Text and Teaching Symposium at Georgetown University,(October 12, 1985)
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