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5 years ago  ::  Aug 17, 2009 - 9:23PM #1
CityZen_X
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The health care debate extended to Christian radio stations in several key states during the July Fourth congressional recess, as a coalition of community organizing networks and national religious advocacy groups released ads urging senators to support health care overhaul.


The 60-second radio ads include a local pastor calling for "reform that makes quality health care choices affordable for all families," and were aired in Arkansas, Colorado, Louisiana, Nebraska and North Carolina, states represented in the Senate by moderate and conservative Democrats. The campaign was sponsored by a left-leaning religious coalition, which includes PICO National Network, Faith in Public Life, Faithful America, Sojourners and Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good. On a conference call with clergy and journalists, Faith in Public Life spokeswoman Katie Paris said the airwaves were "saturated" though she declined to provide the cost of the ad buy


www.piconetwork.org/news-media/coverage?...


Here we have a group of religious factions and their leaders speaking out for Health Care Reform. Can we safely say that they are adhering themselves to the teachings of their idol Yahshua? For he is the one that conducted acts of socialism by feeding, and HEALING the poor, without charge or obligation. Yet we still have a major group of corporate leaders (700 Club) and their clones, totally silent on the issue of Health Care. Why is that? When these same (now silent) spoke for the illegal occupation of Iraq. And used their churches as jingoistic rally centers for the occupation. But when it comes to one of the most important issues of our time, their voice is but lost in a sea of silence. Why is that? Why do we not hear the most prominent religious leaders of this country on this issue?


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5 years ago  ::  Aug 17, 2009 - 11:48PM #2
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Why don't we hear from prominent religious leaders about the need for reform in how we pay for medical care?


I'll take a guess: Because they have sold out to mammon even while continuing to cry "Lord! Lord!" to Jesus?

I prayed for deliverance from the hard world of facts and logic to the happy land where fantasy and prejudice reign. But God spake unto me, saying, "No, keep telling the truth," and to that end afflicted me with severe Trenchant Mouth. So I'm sorry for making cutting remarks, but it's the will of God.
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5 years ago  ::  Aug 22, 2009 - 8:02PM #3
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Does it amaze anyone that we do not have more spiritual leaders such as Jim Wallis? In my opinion he is one in a handful that are truly emulating their idol's mantras.


blog.sojo.net/2009/08/21/video-jim-walli...



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5 years ago  ::  Aug 23, 2009 - 12:39AM #4
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I know that there seems to be  great silence from some that one would expect to be supportive of health care reform, but I also know that there are many who are not silent.  I took part in a conference call with the President on last Wednesday with peoples of a variety of religions.  There were Jews, Christians (protestant and Catholic), and Muslims (and maybe others, but those are the ones I remember) joining together for what each saw as a moral issue whether or not Jesus was at the center of their faith. faithforhealth.org


 


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5 years ago  ::  Aug 23, 2009 - 10:30PM #5
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Aug 23, 2009 -- 12:39AM, Justme333 wrote:


I know that there seems to be  great silence from some that one would expect to be supportive of health care reform, but I also know that there are many who are not silent.  I took part in a conference call with the President on last Wednesday with peoples of a variety of religions.  There were Jews, Christians (protestant and Catholic), and Muslims (and maybe others, but those are the ones I remember) joining together for what each saw as a moral issue whether or not Jesus was at the center of their faith. faithforhealth.org


 


Justme




JM ...Jim Wallis was part of that conference call, also. But my question is where are the leaders of the satellite ministries, like Joel Osteen, Pat Robertson, Joyce Meyer, and John Hagee. Some of them took the time to turn their church's into jingoistic rally centers for the Iraq occupation. Why are they not speaking on one of the most important moral issues of our time, National Health Care?

To "choose" dogma and faith over doubt and experiment is to throw out the ripening vintage and to reach greedily for the Kool-Aid."

Christopher Hitchens

The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshipped anything but himself.
  - Sir Richard Francis Burton
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5 years ago  ::  Aug 24, 2009 - 3:08PM #6
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Aug 23, 2009 -- 10:30PM, CityZen_X wrote:


Aug 23, 2009 -- 12:39AM, Justme333 wrote:


I know that there seems to be  great silence from some that one would expect to be supportive of health care reform, but I also know that there are many who are not silent.  I took part in a conference call with the President on last Wednesday with peoples of a variety of religions.  There were Jews, Christians (protestant and Catholic), and Muslims (and maybe others, but those are the ones I remember) joining together for what each saw as a moral issue whether or not Jesus was at the center of their faith. faithforhealth.org


 


Justme




JM ...Jim Wallis was part of that conference call, also. But my question is where are the leaders of the satellite ministries, like Joel Osteen, Pat Robertson, Joyce Meyer, and John Hagee. Some of them took the time to turn their church's into jingoistic rally centers for the Iraq occupation. Why are they not speaking on one of the most important moral issues of our time, National Health Care?




I know what you meant, I believe it is because their ties to the Republican Party are more important right now than their ties to Jesus.  If they break that tie with the Republican Party, how will they ever find support to try to get legislation for their two big causes - overturning RvW and stopping any meaningful gay rights.


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"Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there."  Will Rogers

"Give to those who ask, and don't turn away from those who want to borrow."  Matthew 5:42

"Charity is no substitute for justice withheld."         St. Augustine

"Your love for God is only as great as the love you have for the person you love least."  Dorothy Day

"If you want peace, work for justice." Pope Paul VI
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5 years ago  ::  Aug 29, 2009 - 6:59PM #7
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Aug 24, 2009 -- 3:08PM, Justme333 wrote:


Aug 23, 2009 -- 10:30PM, CityZen_X wrote:


Aug 23, 2009 -- 12:39AM, Justme333 wrote:


I know that there seems to be  great silence from some that one would expect to be supportive of health care reform, but I also know that there are many who are not silent.  I took part in a conference call with the President on last Wednesday with peoples of a variety of religions.  There were Jews, Christians (protestant and Catholic), and Muslims (and maybe others, but those are the ones I remember) joining together for what each saw as a moral issue whether or not Jesus was at the center of their faith. faithforhealth.org


 


Justme




JM ...Jim Wallis was part of that conference call, also. But my question is where are the leaders of the satellite ministries, like Joel Osteen, Pat Robertson, Joyce Meyer, and John Hagee. Some of them took the time to turn their church's into jingoistic rally centers for the Iraq occupation. Why are they not speaking on one of the most important moral issues of our time, National Health Care?




I know what you meant, I believe it is because their ties to the Republican Party are more important right now than their ties to Jesus.  If they break that tie with the Republican Party, how will they ever find support to try to get legislation for their two big causes - overturning RvW and stopping any meaningful gay rights.


Justme




Your answer is the best answer that I could possibly get. "ties to the Republican Party are more important right now than their ties to Jesus." I could not have said it any better. That is about as real as it gets! Thanks JM.

To "choose" dogma and faith over doubt and experiment is to throw out the ripening vintage and to reach greedily for the Kool-Aid."

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