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4 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2009 - 10:50AM #11
whirlinggal
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"As a resident of VA I have no say in if McCain gets elected or not, just as you have no say in whom we choose to represent us."


 


 


 


EVERY American is affected by ALL the senators--both in the US and every time they go abroad.


 


 


 


"What candidate are you currently volunteering for? What is their  platform? Please tell us about them. You are being proactive and actually trying to change your situation instead of just posting a complaint that you are too lazy to do anything about?"


 


 


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the issue is McCain--not what I am doing/not doing.


 


 


 


 

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2009 - 11:12AM #12
nnsecu
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Jun 10, 2009 -- 10:50AM, whirlinggal wrote:


"As a resident of VA I have no say in if McCain gets elected or not, just as you have no say in whom we choose to represent us."


 


 


 


EVERY American is affected by ALL the senators--both in the US and every time they go abroad.


 


 


 


"What candidate are you currently volunteering for? What is their  platform? Please tell us about them. You are being proactive and actually trying to change your situation instead of just posting a complaint that you are too lazy to do anything about?"


 


 


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the issue is McCain--not what I am doing/not doing.


 


 


 


 




 


I am not arguing that every senator/congressman have an effect.  I was hoping you realize that only the residents of AZ like yourself can vote him out of office.    McCain does not represent my state I cannot cast a vote for him to stay or go. 


The issue is McCain and not fit for service, you being someone represented by McCain, what you are or are not doing is very much to the heart of the issue.  Are you actively working to change the representation of your state or just sitting around whining about it and hope someone else will do the work for you.


You have two options you can sit around and complain about McCain or get involved in getting someone else elected.    

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2009 - 11:43AM #13
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Jun 10, 2009 -- 10:06AM, whirlinggal wrote:


Jun 10, 2009 -- 2:42AM, Merope wrote:


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Merope--actually the thread started out on the USP board.


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4 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2009 - 12:05PM #14
whirlinggal
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"I was hoping you realize that only the residents of AZ like yourself can vote him out of office"


 


 


 


That was never the issue here.


 


It's about McCain's ability to serve given his really horrific decision-making when choosing Palin as his "running mate."


 


 


 


 

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2009 - 12:33PM #15
Susanneyes21
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Here we go....Sen John McCain is vibrant and honest and brilliant man of honor. He does not need to retire. He kept his values and while seeking the election he even defended his opposing running mate when a lady made an uneducated comment and said she was also scared of Obama and his Nationality background. That my friends is integrity. He could have taken the low road and played on that but he did not. He is a man of Faith. I believe unless you are well informed on someones political history, that it is wise not to make outrageous statements that soil that persons' reputation. I was well informed on the Candidates and their Campaigns. Sen McCain did not accept donations that were not legal and unreported by the contributor. He did not "Buy" the election. He kept his contract agreement to stay within certain campaign money raising guidelines where we all know the Democratic Committee  did not. In fact the investigation is still going on regarding the credit card donations and failure to document the donors. They allowed these donations by credit card to be unverified which is against Campaign rules and regulations. By the time they do have all the facts unfortunately it will be election time again. As for Sen McCain's choice in his running mate, I agree it should have been someone else like former Mayor Juliane. Gov Palin came out of the gate strong and made a great first speech, then lost her gusto as the campaign went on. The personal attacks on her family, her daughter, the fact that she is an attractive lady all caused her downfall as running mate.


Sen McCain knew it but was too late. I believe he is meant to be where he is because he can do more for America with the power he has in the Senate. He has never taken any "pork" money and he has a record of excellence. The fact of his age does not matter in his situation as he is still brilliant and strong and vital to the Nation. I thank Sen McCain for his service to our Country and offer prayer for him and his family. The fact that he survived POW and gives God the credit for him getting through those terrible years, speaks volumes of his character and faith. He is a hero and should be thanked for his service by all of us.


I support him 100% and his cause. I hope the next time someone starts rattling on about a subject that it is based on facts, not feelings. This forum is not for political debates it is for uplifting Spirituality and concerns of the home, family, world, and heart. "May the Light Shine upon you as you walk in His Path"

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2009 - 12:40PM #16
whirlinggal
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" I believe unless you are well informed on someones political history, that it is wise not to make outrageous statements that soil that persons' reputation"


 


 


 


 


I have followed his career for many years--and I see big changes in how he behaves now.


 


The McCain I used to know would never have chosen Palin over someone much more experienced--and smart.


 


The fact that he let himself be pushed to do that by "advisors"--who also made a terrible mess of his late campaign--all that falsifying about Obama's "being friends with terrorists" stuff for example--just proves even more that he is no longer the independent thinker he once was.


 


 


 


 

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2009 - 12:41PM #17
nnsecu
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Jun 10, 2009 -- 12:05PM, whirlinggal wrote:


"I was hoping you realize that only the residents of AZ like yourself can vote him out of office"


 


 


 


That was never the issue here.


 


It's about McCain's ability to serve given his really horrific decision-making when choosing Palin as his "running mate."


 


 


 


 




 


The issue is most of us are powerless to do anything about that determination.  We can choose to whine like little children about it, but that is all it would be is a bunch of whining.  The only people who can make the judgment on McCain's ability to serve are your fellow AZ residents.  It says more about the voters of AZ than McCain after all you are the ones who elected him, he is supposedly representing the views of the state of AZ, so why do people from AZ elected someone with such horrific decision making?

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2009 - 1:10PM #18
Susanneyes21
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Sen McCains' Republican Committee did him no service that is sure. It was lead by someone who made poor choices and decisions. We can ONLY Speculate why Sen McCain accepted some or most of the advice. Unless we were there, in those Campaign meetings, the only thing I can say is they voted on a strategy convinced that Gov Palin would get the votes from women supporters and groups such as Downs Syndrome and unwed young mothers, teens,the "hockey Moms" and such. It was a poor poker hand played that hurt Sen McCains' campaign. he knew it but the decision made was too late to reverse it, so the next game plan was to run with what you have and hope for the best. Does that make his decision making so flawed that he is incompetent to serve as a Senator?....the answer is no, in my opinion, based on all of the things he is doing now, and I support his campaign now running for re-election in AZ.  I believe AZ should be proud of the fact that they have a dedicated, honest moral valued man as their Senator and I can only wish he was in our state of PA. We could use him here. No Doubt! He is brilliant and strong and keeps his ethics and respected by most of his peers. He can do more in the Senate for our Nation since he has a strong voice and authority, that many admire. You know, honesty and integrity these days in politics is rare and hard to find with so many of our elected officials in many levels of service in our towns, cities, and states. Sen McCain has proved himself  a worthy, vital and Patriot for this Nation. I applaud him. I hope he does get re-elected. He was brilliant when we saw him in Hershey Pa and his biography impressed and moved us so positively. This man is truly a Blessing to our Country.


If you do not agree, then if you live in AZ go vote! I have a very close friend in Tuscon who supports Sen McCain and he is actively out there helping to spread the word and get voters to support Sen McCain. He told me that all the years in AZ Sen McCain has done an excellent job for his State and Country.  His record can be pulled up in your State of AZ if you want to see his activities in the Senate, his voting record and his accomplishments. I think that will help anyone who wants to be an informed voter make a decision that is based on service and history of the Candidate running for office.


Good luck to Sen McCain. I wish you continued health and  congratulations for all you have accomplished, and service to our Nation, THANK YOU  Sen McCain.  Smile


Your friend and supporter in Gettysburg, Pa...Susanna M.

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2009 - 1:29PM #19
whirlinggal
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"Sen McCains' Republican Committee did him no service that is sure."'


 


The party does not make decisions for a candidate.


The candidate has their own campaign committee.


 


 


 


It was lead by someone who made poor choices and decisions."




Yes--that's my point.


The candidate is the leader of his/her campaign committee so ultimately all decisions are made by her/him.



Including this decision to have Palin as running mate for Vice President when she didn't even know what a Vice President does.


 


Very poor choice on McCain's part.


 


 




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4 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2009 - 1:51PM #20
Christianlib
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McCain will have to wake up before he can announce retirement.

Democrats think the glass is half full.
Republicans think the glass is theirs.
Libertarians want to break the glass, because they think a conspiracy created it.
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