I think the bill is wrong. A couple friends and I (all Pro-choice) were talking about this and one of them stated that they actually have more respect for those Pro-lifers that don't allow exceptions (i.e. life is sacred at all times, no matter how it was conceived) vs. those that allow for exceptions in the case of rape and incest. He may have a point, but as a Pro-lifer, I wouldn't support a bill that didn't allow for the exceptions for rape, incest, and risk to the mother. Although I think the risk to the mother has to be clearly defined and not up for too much interpretation (some obviously, but depression is not the same as imminent death for the mother).
We talk about this point (rape and incest) a lot in one of my other forums. Pro-lifers who compromise. If life is sacred, then it's sacred. When you compromise, who basically say that a raped fetus is inferior to a non-raped fetus, therefore worthy of abortion. Somehow, the "pro-lifer" decides not to be pro-life in this one-instance. This is also true of "torture" by-the-way. If it is acceptable to compromise a set of values in one instance, then it shuold be acceptable to compromise in almost any instance.
While I may-be pro-life after fetus viability, which is pretty much the law of the land, I agree that the "morning-after" pill needs to become much more available to anyone who wants it, without perscription. This would cut heavily into the amount of unwanted pregrancies. But then we get the "it would increase the amount of sex in younger people" arguement, which is basically the "I wasn't taught how to think" arguement.
I don't fully agree with you when it comes to compromising a set of values. For instance, murder is morally wrong, but we allow for an exception in case of self-defense. Lying is morally wrong, but none of us would condemn those that hid slaves or jews from persecution and death by lying. Stealing is wrong, but how many of us would condemn someone for stealing for the sole purpose of feeding their family? We make exceptions and compromise our values frequently, even within political parties (i.e. Democratics moving away from their gun control platform or Republicans spending uncontrollably).
I don't "approve" of abortion even in the case of rape, but see why some women would see it as their best option (especially being a rape survivor myself). I would much prefer that rape victims and incest victims have access to the morning after pill than be forced to make the decision to abort.
"No matter how dark the moment, love and hope are always possible." George Chakiris
“For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible.” Stuart Chase
While I think politically on this one we would have some common ground, I do not see this as a "victory for rapists, incestuous fathers, or mother killers in Tennessee". Have they been lobbying together to promote the proposal? Doubtful. Rapists and pedophiles do not really have offspring as their goal in their crimes. They could not care less whether the woman they use and harm has a child as a result or not.
Extreme and exagerated responses to a serious topic are kind of a waste of time.
I suspect that the ULTIMATE thrill for someone who would commit a rape, which I am given to understand is really an act of power not sex, would be the knowledge that your victim would have to spend the rest of her life raising your baby.
How is this not a victory for someone like that?
How is that an exageration?
The thing I find most irritating about conservatives isn't just that their opinions so rarely have any basis in reality. It's not even their incessant refusal to change those opinions when presented with irrefutable facts and logic. But rather it's their complete bewilderment that anyone else might think they should.
There's nothing at all new about the venomous anti-Obama sentiment coming from the right. Its just what happens when an effective and popular Democrat leads the country in a positive direction. Kennedy and Johnson had the John Birch Society. Carter and Clinton had their lunatic detractors. What has changed, however, is that the Birchers and Clinton Death List crowd used to be the extreme fringe and the GOP saw them as an embarrassment. Now the crazies are the top GOP leadership and only a few Republicans are calling for sanity. Why? Because Republicans have no ideas and nothing else to sell.
I think the bill is wrong. A couple friends and I (all Pro-choice) were talking about this and one of them stated that they actually have more respect for those Pro-lifers that don't allow exceptions (i.e. life is sacred at all times, no matter how it was conceived) vs. those that allow for exceptions in the case of rape and incest. He may have a point, but as a Pro-lifer, I wouldn't support a bill that didn't allow for the exceptions for rape, incest, and risk to the mother. Although I think the risk to the mother has to be clearly defined and not up for too much interpretation (some obviously, but depression is not the same as imminent death for the mother).
We talk about this point (rape and incest) a lot in one of my other forums. Pro-lifers who compromise. If life is sacred, then it's sacred. When you compromise, who basically say that a raped fetus is inferior to a non-raped fetus, therefore worthy of abortion. Somehow, the "pro-lifer" decides not to be pro-life in this one-instance. This is also true of "torture" by-the-way. If it is acceptable to compromise a set of values in one instance, then it shuold be acceptable to compromise in almost any instance.
While I may-be pro-life after fetus viability, which is pretty much the law of the land, I agree that the "morning-after" pill needs to become much more available to anyone who wants it, without perscription. This would cut heavily into the amount of unwanted pregrancies. But then we get the "it would increase the amount of sex in younger people" arguement, which is basically the "I wasn't taught how to think" arguement.
What the issue is really about is not one of morality. Its about ignorant people who want to force other people to live with decisions they themselves know nothing about. Even the concept of thinking though the pros and cons a situation is completely foreign to them because their religious leaders have told them what to think since they were born and taught them not to ask questions.
If you look deeply enough into this issue you find what its really about is punishing sex and breeding soldiers for whatever army the particular religious sect is trying to grow.
The thing I find most irritating about conservatives isn't just that their opinions so rarely have any basis in reality. It's not even their incessant refusal to change those opinions when presented with irrefutable facts and logic. But rather it's their complete bewilderment that anyone else might think they should.
There's nothing at all new about the venomous anti-Obama sentiment coming from the right. Its just what happens when an effective and popular Democrat leads the country in a positive direction. Kennedy and Johnson had the John Birch Society. Carter and Clinton had their lunatic detractors. What has changed, however, is that the Birchers and Clinton Death List crowd used to be the extreme fringe and the GOP saw them as an embarrassment. Now the crazies are the top GOP leadership and only a few Republicans are calling for sanity. Why? Because Republicans have no ideas and nothing else to sell.
I thought those Reps took an oath to uphold the Constitution.
The Supreme Court has already decided its unConstitutional to force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term if it threatens her health or her life, or if she was raped.
These people think that when a woman becomes pregnant she loses her rights as a citizen. These people are really showing they have no regard for the lives of women beyond baby-machines.
The lack of compassion these fools display is appalling.
So....
In light of this proposal, perhaps a clause could be added regarding those found guilty of rape. I propose ALL prepetrators of rape undergo a forced vascetomy along with their incarceration. Oh, and by all means, not to appear too insensitive, they should be provided w/ psychological counseling.
I would suggest convicted rapist be given a be castrated and given a orquiatomie
“I[seldom]make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.” Edward Gibbon
I think the bill is wrong. A couple friends and I (all Pro-choice) were talking about this and one of them stated that they actually have more respect for those Pro-lifers that don't allow exceptions (i.e. life is sacred at all times, no matter how it was conceived) vs. those that allow for exceptions in the case of rape and incest. He may have a point, but as a Pro-lifer, I wouldn't support a bill that didn't allow for the exceptions for rape, incest, and risk to the mother. Although I think the risk to the mother has to be clearly defined and not up for too much interpretation (some obviously, but depression is not the same as imminent death for the mother).
"No matter how dark the moment, love and hope are always possible." George Chakiris
“For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible.” Stuart Chase
When they suck the baby out, the eyeballs come first. Then the hands and feet.
The rest of the body is ground up in a large human garbage disposal.
When a girl has to live with this knowledge, it is worse than giving birth.
You might have a point except that the know-nothing pro-coat-hanger crowd ALSO oppose RU486 better known as the "morning after pill". In other words they aren't interested in keeping eyes hands of feet intact. There are no such things at that stage. These people make no differentiation between a 2 celled organism an instant after an incestuous rape and a fully developed baby nursing on its mothers stomach in the delivery room. Except that from the next moment on they don't want to provide any help of any kind no matter what the circumstances. Even if the mother was forced by the state to carry the product of incestuous rape to full term.
And yet somehow these very same people feel no concern about dropping bombs on innocent people or even leaving rocket shells containing depleted uranium laying all over Iraq and even denying the citizens of that country the hazmat suits needed to clean it up. They couldn't care less that this will result in horrible birth defects.
The thing I find most irritating about conservatives isn't just that their opinions so rarely have any basis in reality. It's not even their incessant refusal to change those opinions when presented with irrefutable facts and logic. But rather it's their complete bewilderment that anyone else might think they should.
There's nothing at all new about the venomous anti-Obama sentiment coming from the right. Its just what happens when an effective and popular Democrat leads the country in a positive direction. Kennedy and Johnson had the John Birch Society. Carter and Clinton had their lunatic detractors. What has changed, however, is that the Birchers and Clinton Death List crowd used to be the extreme fringe and the GOP saw them as an embarrassment. Now the crazies are the top GOP leadership and only a few Republicans are calling for sanity. Why? Because Republicans have no ideas and nothing else to sell.
After years of failure, a proposed amendment to the state constitution on abortion has cleared the state House of Representatives.
The House sponsor of the resolution, Republican Rep. Debra Maggart of Hendersonville, said passage is necessary to “restore neutrality” on abortion after a 2000 state Supreme Court decision found the state constitution gives women greater rights to an abortion than the U.S. Constitution.
House Democratic Leader Gary Odom led an effort to amend the proposal to declare women would always have a right to an abortion in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother.
Odom’s proposed change was defeated with 39 members supporting him; 59 opposing.
Chalk up another victory for the rapists, incestuous fathers, and mother killers in Tennessee.
While I think politically on this one we would have some common ground, I do not see this as a "victory for rapists, incestuous fathers, or mother killers in Tennessee". Have they been lobbying together to promote the proposal? Doubtful. Rapists and pedophiles do not really have offspring as their goal in their crimes. They could not care less whether the woman they use and harm has a child as a result or not.
Extreme and exagerated responses to a serious topic are kind of a waste of time.
Mercy? Mercy? MERCY!!!???? The Scarlet Hussies DESERVE no mercy. Going around tempting men like that. Where's your sense of decorum and decency? AND, woman, what are you doing posting here. You should be too busy cleaning your husband's house to have time to play on the internet.
Democrats think the glass is half full. Republicans think the glass is theirs. Libertarians want to break the glass, because they think a conspiracy created it.
