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5 years ago  ::  Mar 03, 2009 - 11:14PM #31
Bodean
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Mar 3, 2009 -- 10:10PM, solfeggio wrote:


WHY are Americans so set against socialised medicine?  What is the big deal?  You've already got Medicare and Medicaid, don't you?  In case you didn't know it, those are socialised medicine!  And, managed properly (which did not happen during the disastrous Bush years), these programmes work very well. 


You don't believe it?  Ask somebody who lives in Finland or Sweden or even the UK, or any Commonwealth country.  Believe me, having free hospitals is a mighty good thing!  And having subsidised prescriptions is very nice, too.  Those are just two of the benefits of such a system; there are dozens more available to various groups that need them. 


If President Obama is thinking of trying to introduce some sort of socialised medical plan for Americans, good for him!  I hope he succeeds.




And I hope he doesn't.


Yes, we know about the liberal creations known as Medicare/Medicaid, and now SCHIPS, and soon to be everyone.


I'd support it .. .IF and ONLY IF .. the Congress gets to enjoy it FIRST!  When Obama has a heart attack .. he has to go to the local hospital ... and rot, like all the peasants will have to do.

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 04, 2009 - 6:29AM #32
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Mar 3, 2009 -- 10:54AM, TENAC wrote:


Mar 3, 2009 -- 10:48AM, Kwinters wrote:


And how did the American people react to the proposed budget?


Initial Reaction to Obama Budget Tilts Positive


PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans' first reactions to President Barack Obama's new 10-year budget plan are more positive than negative, although a sizable group of Americans say they haven't been following news about the plan and have not yet formed an opinion. The weekend Gallup Poll finds 44% of Americans saying their reaction to the new plan is positive and 26% saying it's negative, with the rest having no opinion.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/116242/Initial-Reaction-Obama-Budget-Tilts-Positive.aspx


 


Poor Republicans - they are just so out of touch!  Looks like they'll remain a regional party for the forseeable future.


All they are left with are out-dated ideas which went out of style with Reagan and all their online porn!


Boo hoo hoo.


 




You're applauding 44%?  So not everyone that voted for him is jazzed about this plan?


Wall Street certainly isnt.  So after more of the 44% see there life savings melt away.....keep you hat on.




Do you know what the word 'plurality'means?  Also its DOUBLE the number of those who say they oppose it.


I thought republicans were supposed to be good with numbers. Apparently not.


 

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 04, 2009 - 6:32AM #33
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Mar 3, 2009 -- 10:44AM, Bodean wrote:


Mar 2, 2009 -- 8:16AM, ZafodB wrote:


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Actually Rasmussen has 0bama at 58%




 


Zaf .. .yes, that is new data since I posted it ... hence, Obama has SUNK another 2 points in the polls.


But like I said, Rasmussen is the only one worth looking at.  ABC, CNN, Gallop, all liberal bastions ... are all in the tank for Obama.  Scott is the only objective pollster.


.... and Obama is slowly sinking .... now at 58%




For the statistically illiterate a 2 point swing is within what is known as the 'margin of error.'


To see a REAL decline the number would have to be LARGER than the margin of error.


Geez, if you're going to cite polling data AT LEAST find out what it is saying before you draw an erroneous conclusion.


The fact is that Obama is overwhelmingly supported by Americans UNLESS they are crazy/bitter/deluded conservatives or Republicans.


 And, again for the statistically MORONIC the polls DON'T change depending upon who funds it.


IF Ras is getting a lower number then I would say we should compare the wording of the questions to see if they are asking them in identical ways, or if it is purely telephone based RDD survey collection.


The idea that a scientific poll funded by ABC will have a 'liberal bias' indicates the thinker of that thought is in desperate need of a remedial stats course.


 

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 04, 2009 - 6:40AM #34
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For people interested in finding out what is going on in reality (not propping up their failing ideology) here are the stats from Real Clear Poliitcs on Obama's approval rating, which collects data from a number of different polls:


 


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html


RCP Average 02/17 - 03/01 -- Approve: 62.3 Disapprove: 27.5

Spread: +34.8


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5 years ago  ::  Mar 04, 2009 - 6:46AM #35
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Mar 3, 2009 -- 10:10PM, solfeggio wrote:


WHY are Americans so set against socialised medicine?  What is the big deal?  You've already got Medicare and Medicaid, don't you?  In case you didn't know it, those are socialised medicine!  And, managed properly (which did not happen during the disastrous Bush years), these programmes work very well. 


You don't believe it?  Ask somebody who lives in Finland or Sweden or even the UK, or any Commonwealth country.  Believe me, having free hospitals is a mighty good thing!  And having subsidised prescriptions is very nice, too.  Those are just two of the benefits of such a system; there are dozens more available to various groups that need them. 


If President Obama is thinking of trying to introduce some sort of socialised medical plan for Americans, good for him!  I hope he succeeds.




 


Because Americans have been brainwashed by the GOP to think that government provided health care is somehow evil and bad.


It's evil and bad because they want to continue to make profits off of sick people.


As an American living in the UK for 5 years now, and I've used the health and dental services and had an operation here I am living proof that socialised medicine is NOT the boogeyman they want to make it out to be.


I have my last pay stub in front of me.  After taxes I took home 1,315.18 GBP.  My national insurance contribution was 151.89.  Now, I don't have kids, but that payment would also cover my family too.


So, does anyone here think that complete insurance coverage, with no co-pays for visits or surgeries and 6.80 co-pays on prescription drugs (not contraception, which is free) is somehow a bad thing?


 

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 04, 2009 - 6:49AM #36
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Mar 3, 2009 -- 11:14PM, Bodean wrote:


Mar 3, 2009 -- 10:10PM, solfeggio wrote:


WHY are Americans so set against socialised medicine?  What is the big deal?  You've already got Medicare and Medicaid, don't you?  In case you didn't know it, those are socialised medicine!  And, managed properly (which did not happen during the disastrous Bush years), these programmes work very well. 


You don't believe it?  Ask somebody who lives in Finland or Sweden or even the UK, or any Commonwealth country.  Believe me, having free hospitals is a mighty good thing!  And having subsidised prescriptions is very nice, too.  Those are just two of the benefits of such a system; there are dozens more available to various groups that need them. 


If President Obama is thinking of trying to introduce some sort of socialised medical plan for Americans, good for him!  I hope he succeeds.




And I hope he doesn't.


Yes, we know about the liberal creations known as Medicare/Medicaid, and now SCHIPS, and soon to be everyone.


I'd support it .. .IF and ONLY IF .. the Congress gets to enjoy it FIRST!  When Obama has a heart attack .. he has to go to the local hospital ... and rot, like all the peasants will have to do.




 


???  Um, all members of Congress HAVE GOVERNMENT PROVIDED HEALTH CARE. 


 

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 04, 2009 - 8:57AM #37
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Mar 4, 2009 -- 6:49AM, Kwinters wrote:


Mar 3, 2009 -- 11:14PM, Bodean wrote:


Mar 3, 2009 -- 10:10PM, solfeggio wrote:


WHY are Americans so set against socialised medicine?  What is the big deal?  You've already got Medicare and Medicaid, don't you?  In case you didn't know it, those are socialised medicine!  And, managed properly (which did not happen during the disastrous Bush years), these programmes work very well. 


You don't believe it?  Ask somebody who lives in Finland or Sweden or even the UK, or any Commonwealth country.  Believe me, having free hospitals is a mighty good thing!  And having subsidised prescriptions is very nice, too.  Those are just two of the benefits of such a system; there are dozens more available to various groups that need them. 


If President Obama is thinking of trying to introduce some sort of socialised medical plan for Americans, good for him!  I hope he succeeds.




And I hope he doesn't.


Yes, we know about the liberal creations known as Medicare/Medicaid, and now SCHIPS, and soon to be everyone.


I'd support it .. .IF and ONLY IF .. the Congress gets to enjoy it FIRST!  When Obama has a heart attack .. he has to go to the local hospital ... and rot, like all the peasants will have to do.




 


???  Um, all members of Congress HAVE GOVERNMENT PROVIDED HEALTH CARE. 


 




 


In a PRIVATE SECTOR Healthcare system.


 


btw ... on your poll post ... sure .. 2% is within the margin of error.  But you have to hit "all polls" on Realclear politics to see the "trend".


Rasmussen had Obama at 64 .. then 62, then 60, then 60 again, now 58.



Statistically ... that is a decreasing trend.

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 04, 2009 - 9:56AM #38
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Mar 4, 2009 -- 6:32AM, Kwinters wrote:


For the statistically illiterate a 2 point swing is within what is known as the 'margin of error.'


To see a REAL decline the number would have to be LARGER than the margin of error.


Geez, if you're going to cite polling data AT LEAST find out what it is saying before you draw an erroneous conclusion.


The fact is that Obama is overwhelmingly supported by Americans UNLESS they are crazy/bitter/deluded conservatives or Republicans.




 


As is true for all presidents early in their term. That's why they make such a big deal of the first 100 days in office, because it's a honeymoon period where the newly elected president has a lot of leeway to push through an agenda.


 


However as has been pointed out earlier on this thread, the whole premise of the thread is erronious because it attempts to compare the favorability rating of an unpopular lame duck president with a new president in the first few weeks of his term. When Obama's approval ratings are compared to the historical averages of presidental approval ratings 2 months into their term he is just about exactly average.


 


Simply put his approval rating is not soaring, it's right about where you'd expect it to be.


 


 

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5 years ago  ::  May 14, 2009 - 11:21AM #39
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Does any of you watch the news and research what's said out?  Everyone seems to forget that President Obama did not create any of this mess, but he's held responsible for stopping it. Rush is the most prejudice person that is in the public light. Anything that comes out of his mouth is unworthy of being repeated. Second if you would listen to the news you would know that all the talk about socilized medical come from one gentleman (I am using the term very liberally) that wrote a list regarding ways for Republicans to beat the health care reform. Passed it out to all Republicans, thus quote the Republicans word for word.  Hoping gullible people would believe it if it is said enough. Furthermore none of them are complaining about the cadaliac social health care plan that they receive.  Has anyone heard any of them refusing it for a private plan?

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5 years ago  ::  Jul 25, 2009 - 1:06PM #40
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Feb 28, 2009 -- 4:53PM, MasterOfSparks wrote:

Feb 28, 2009 -- 4:15PM, arielg wrote:


Obama's aproval ratings are based on the fact that there are absolutely no alternatives out there and nobody has any idea about what to do. And he is a nice guy, so people  keep hoping for the best, even though, all he has done so far, is throw money  at the problem.  Money we do not have.  Like it has been done so many times before.


The Republicans, whose only solution is the classic "lower taxes" mantra do not realize  they played with it  for 8 years  and ended up in this mess. So they are even more clueless.




 


This is a very informative article but board rules forbid me from posting more than a taste of it. I HIGHLY recommend everyone read it at its original source.


www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/business/econ...


A Bold Plan Sweeps Away Reagan Ideas


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The history of the United States economy over the last 70 years can be roughly divided into two periods: the decades immediately after World War II, when inequality plummeted, and the past three decades, when global economic forces and government policies caused it to soar. Mr. Obama is setting out to begin a third period that looks more like the first than the second.


That agenda starts with taxes. Over the last three decades, the pretax incomes of the wealthiest households have risen far more than they have for other households, while the tax rates for top earners have fallen more than they have for others, according to the Congressional Budget Office.As a result, the average post-tax income of the top 1 percent of households has jumped by roughly $1 million since 1979, adjusted for inflation, to $1.4 million. Pay for most families has risen only slightly faster than inflation.


Before becoming Mr. Obama’s top economic adviser, Lawrence H. Summers liked to tell a hypothetical story to distill the trend. The increase in inequality, Mr. Summers would say, meant that each family in the bottom 80 percent of the income distribution was effectively sending a $10,000 check, every year, to the top 1 percent of earners.


It should suprised nobody that the rich like that idea very much and don't want it to change.


Mr. Obama’s budget reflects that sensibility. Budget experts were still sorting through the details on Thursday, but it appeared that various tax cuts and credits aimed at the middle class and the poor would increase the take-home pay of the median household by roughly $800.The tax increases on the top 1 percent, meanwhile, will most likely cost them $100,000 a year.


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Whatever happens, though, it has been a long time since any president has tried to use his budget to shape the government and the economy quite as much as Mr. Obama did on Thursday. On that score, he and President Reagan have something in common.




 




Obama is a threat to this Nation and to Israel and he has shown his true colors in his defense of his cronie at Harvard in ignorance? And in fact he has more in common with GW with his BEER than Rayguns! I liked Ronnie he was good for this country and that is a fact! But Obama is a Big O! and you will see maybe through his Smoke and Mirrors sooner than later he is a Jew hater as well? He blames them for a lot of things? His friendship with the Pritzker family should tell you that? And he is not a Chicagoan either? He was a card carrying member of the Black Muslims on Devon as a teenager as well? Alot you don't know about this Blue Turbin guy? His hatred about the diamond merchants, in Amesterdam? eh?
Ha ha get wise to your loyalties and your NY democrats are the sleeziest snakes of all! socialist, marxist, and Big Labor Unions, and directly connected to the Ruskie Mob as well? Now some of those are Jewish and yet they are not they are atheists but parade their religion to mask their agendas! Wake up before it is too late? Remember the Rothchilds?

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