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4 years ago  ::  Sep 19, 2010 - 1:35PM #71
Mlyons619
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IOW, "Don't vote for Republican's 'cuz they're worse than us Democrats" is the new motto, eh?


What a wonderful rallying cry to inspire the electorate.


Is this the Dem way of writing off the 2010 Election?

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 19, 2010 - 2:23PM #72
Stephenway
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Sep 19, 2010 -- 1:35PM, Mlyons619 wrote:


IOW, "Don't vote for Republican's 'cuz they're worse than us Democrats" is the new motto, eh?


What a wonderful rallying cry to inspire the electorate.


Is this the Dem way of writing off the 2010 Election?





I'm not sure who you are responding to, but as you are right behind my entry, I will respond.  I do not support any party.  I am not even registered to vote.  I do not discourage people to vote.  I support the powers that be.  But people need to spend time on their knees before this nation can be fixed.


From above "Is this the Dem way..."  I am not a Democrat.  But from history, Republicans have traditionally supported the wealthy, and the worst stock-market figures are after years of Republican presidents.  FDR, a Dem, turned things around, but it took years.  Pray for Obama, don't don't expect things to turn around soon.  I'm not sure it will even turn around, because I believe God's wrath is about to be shown to a rebellious people.

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 19, 2010 - 2:47PM #73
Mlyons619
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Interesting.  You do not vote.  You do not support (as you say) any party.  Yet you promote the Republicans is "evil."


Is it your point that we should not be voting for ANYBODY then, but ESPECIALLY not the Republicans?


Those who choose not to vote have essentially forfeited their say on how this country's run.  The non-voters can only wail like Cassandra, "Woe is woe," but nobody will listen.

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 19, 2010 - 3:07PM #74
Stephenway
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If you had read the earlier post before you had responded the first time, you would have seen that I said I am not registered to vote.  I pay taxes, so therefore I have a right to voice my opinion on political matters.


People should study history and politics, and ask the Lord for guidance before voting.  I did not say that Republicans are evil.  My point was that too many people who claim to be Christian spend too much time talking about their politicians and too little time about their faith.  But from what I've seen of the political talk, they haven't studied their history or faith views too well.  If the Lord leads someone to talk politics, then talk politics.  But so many politicians are talking, about their faith, but who is talking about what that faith represents?


Non-Christians do what they will in politics.  Christians may discuss politics, but it sometimes appears to me (though I may be wrong) that they spend too much time talking about their candidates, and too little time talking about their faith.  Do we trust in God or politicians, or do we just listen to the loudest mouths?


But look at Wall Street if you will?  How many years of Republican presidents before the Great Depression?  How many years of Republican presidents before the big fall just before Bush left office?  And I've heard (around where I've been listening, I don't know what you listen to) too much complaining about Obama doing this wrong or that wrong.  They did the same thing about FDR, and it took years before things got turned around.  People expect too much, too fast.  I, personally think it's mostly disgruntled people listening to loud mouths.

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 19, 2010 - 3:22PM #75
Mlyons619
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... I pay taxes, so therefore I have a right to voice my opinion on political matters...



Of course.


But tell me, WHY should any politician LISTEN to you?  You don't VOTE,  Therefore you are no THREAT to him.


That's the beginning and end of my point.


Hint:  Beging a TAXPAYER makes you a citizen?  REFUSE to pay taxes and you go to jail.  That doesn't make you a citizen - that makes you a SUBJECT.

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 19, 2010 - 3:41PM #76
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No politician has to listen to me.  I only offer my opinion.  I prayerfully hope that people will learn to study the past.  I don't have any delusions that a great deal of people will even notice, let alone pay much attention to my comments.  But still these forums, blogs, etc. give people an opportunity to air out what's inside 'em.


All people may be subject to taxation, but in our land, as long as ones dues are paid up, he has a right to air his opinion.


You didn't respond to my not being registered to vote until a latter comment.  Did you not notice it in the first?  Are you one who starts hollering about something before you've even read and considered what it meant?  How much of the history of our country and its political system have you studied?


Bottom line, I don't rally for Democrats or Republicans.  I don't have a problem with people witnessing to their beliefs, even if they are political.  But it seems to mean that too many politicians are pushing their religiosity to get right wing conservative votes, and too many right wing conservatives are pushing politics, and too few people are pushing the religious meanings behind all their religiosity.


If they spent as much time preaching Christ, and less time preaching politics, then we could depend on our nation to be more blessed.  To many are spending too much time pushing politics, and too little testifying to Christ.  Maybe that's why the Christian population is not flourishing as it should in this country.


But before you attack me, answer this: what do you say about so many years of Republican presidents followed by the Great Depression, and now, so many years of Republicans in the presidency, followed by our present economic situation?  Do you want to attack me, or do you want to attack my position?  Or do you contend that I don't have a right to a position?

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 19, 2010 - 4:11PM #77
Mlyons619
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Sep 19, 2010 -- 3:41PM, Stephenway wrote:

...No politician has to listen to me.  I only offer my opinion....



Again, why should a politician do anything about your "opinion" if you present no "threatr" to him?


Sep 19, 2010 -- 3:41PM, Stephenway wrote:

...All people may be subject to taxation, but in our land, as long as ones dues are paid up, he has a right to air his opinion...



Not even that.  Even those on welfare have the right to vote.  And if the NON-taxpaying electorate outnumber the taxpayers, guess who the e;lected one is going to pay more attention to?


Sep 19, 2010 -- 3:41PM, Stephenway wrote:

...I don't have a problem with people witnessing to their beliefs...Maybe that's why the Christian population is not flourishing as it should in this country...



Perhaps.  Perhaps not.  This particular forum is not for proselytizing.  there are other forums set up for that sort of thing.  You might be better served going to one of those.


Sep 19, 2010 -- 3:41PM, Stephenway wrote:

...But before you attack me, answer this: what do you say about so many years of Republican presidents followed by the Great Depression, and now, so many years of Republicans in the presidency, followed by our present economic situation...?



Depends on your historical perspective.  There were and are many factors that are TOTALLY independent of political influences that affect an economy.  Since most politicians operate on a set political PARADIGM, they often blind themselves from actual CAUSES of ecnomic movements.  Therefore, politicians "monkeying" with the economy tend to exacerbate the situation rather than "solve" the economic crisis.  This is EXACTLY why Obama is in political hot water now.


Sep 19, 2010 -- 3:41PM, Stephenway wrote:

...Do you want to attack me, or do you want to attack my position?  Or do you contend that I don't have a right to a position?





I don't recall ever saying you didn't have the RIGHT to an opinion.  Of course, you have a RIGHT to an opinion, per the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.


What I am saying, however, is that by declaring that you do not VOTE, you have, in essence devalued your opinion in the eyes of those politicians currently in power.

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 19, 2010 - 4:43PM #78
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Apparently you are not even reading what you are responding to.  You keep asking questions and responding to things that I had already clearly stated my opion on.


As to: Who will listen to my opinion-  You had asked that question earlier, and I answered it that people air their opions without necessarily expecting many people to notice, and even the few who notice don't necessarily pay attention.  Couldn't you read that in what I wrote, instead of asking it again.  If you didn't read it before, will you read it now.


As to proselytizing:  I am not trying to convice anyone what they should believe.  I believe that even if a Budhist were elected president of the US, in my opinion, we should pray for him and hope that God will guide him.  If you believe differently, I'm not going to tell you not to voice your opinion, even if you disagree with me.


You consider all the paradigms you like.  The facts are, we had 3 terms of Republican presidents, and near the end of the third one the stock market crashed, and began the Great Depression.  FDR turned it around, but it took years, and the people were impatient with him and criticized him as they (from what I hear) are doing to Obama today.


For 24 of the 32 years before Obama, we had Republican presidents, and near the end of the last one, Wall Street nose dived.  Since the nose dive, commentators have talked on TV about how the system wasn't federally regulated was a major contributing factor.  I remember when Reagan made a big show of deregulating business.


If you don't agree with me, fine.  But I seem to be answering to issues, that if you had really read the previous comment, you would have seen the answer to what you've been bringing up to me.  You make your comments, and tell it like you see it.  I've made mine, but I haven't heard anything relevant in your remarks to my comments.

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 19, 2010 - 6:19PM #79
Mlyons619
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Sep 19, 2010 -- 4:43PM, Stephenway wrote:

...Who will listen to my opinion-  You had asked that question earlier, and I answered it that people air their opions without necessarily expecting many people to notice, and even the few who notice don't necessarily pay attention.  Couldn't you read that in what I wrote, instead of asking it again.  If you didn't read it before, will you read it now...



I read your opinion.  Don't necessarily agree with it, but I HAVE read it.


Sep 19, 2010 -- 4:43PM, Stephenway wrote:

...I believe that even if a Budhist were elected president of the US, in my opinion, we should pray for him and hope that God will guide him...



I guess that the only difference in our opinions is that you apparently don't see the point of voting.


Sep 19, 2010 -- 4:43PM, Stephenway wrote:

...You consider all the paradigms you like.  The facts are, we had 3 terms of Republican presidents, and near the end of the third one the stock market crashed, and began the Great Depression.  FDR turned it around, but it took years, and the people were impatient with him and criticized him as they (from what I hear) are doing to Obama today...



Seems the Government finished dumping a few hundred billion into the economy trying to "stimulate" it, and to what end?  FDR btw did not "turn around" the economy; his 'monkeying" around probably made things worse.  Nossir, it was the imposition of an unnatural war economy that revitalized competition, as various new industries arose to compete for the various war contracts, firmly entrenched out National Debt, and started us down the uncertain road of increasing socialism.


Sep 19, 2010 -- 4:43PM, Stephenway wrote:

... I've made mine, but I haven't heard anything relevant in your remarks to my comments...




When you have something pertinent to say, instead of the typical Dem jingoism, I might respond with something appropriate.

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