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5 years ago  ::  Sep 14, 2009 - 10:44AM #51
Stardove
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Habesor, can you edit you last link...it is not working.  If B'net wouldn't shorten them things would be a lot better.  IMO. Sealed

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5 years ago  ::  Sep 14, 2009 - 12:21PM #52
habesor
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I used the Tiny URL option and got the following:


 


tinyurl.com/kvud4l


 


I hope that works.


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5 years ago  ::  Sep 14, 2009 - 6:36PM #53
KindredSai
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Sep 14, 2009 -- 3:48AM, habesor wrote:


 


1) Israel's creation did not create the Palestinian refugee problem. The Arab refusal to compromise and accept Israel's creation along side an Arab Palestinian state and the Arab resort to armed warfare to attack Israel created the Palestinian refugee problem. The perpetuation of that problem was a partnership between the United Nations and the Arab Middle Eastern states which refused to make peace with Israel as well as refused to let the Palestinian Arabs create their own state. Hence, Jordanian and Egyptian occupation of Palestinian territory is anything but beside the point.




 2) There is plenty of evidence, its just that you refuse to see it. Read almost anything about Black September in Jordan or the War of the Camps in Lebanon and you will see numbers of dead Palestinians at the hands of their Arab brothers higher than anything Israel has even been accused of. As for Palestinians killing Palestinians, well it doesn't make headlines in the western press but here is just one example:


 



hmicahhalpern.com/archives/2006/04/palest...


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1) You are forgetting that 80% of Arabs who were left within the newly created  State of Israel were either expelled or exterminated by Jewish forces, this contributed towards the decision for Middle Eastern States to go to war with Israel. Also I believe that the Jordanian and Egyptian occupation of Palestinian territories were imperative to prevent Israel acquiring more Palestinian land.


It was the never the intention for the West Bank to be be a part of a neighbouring Arab State rather part of the Jewish State as aspired by Jewish leaders.


You are simply sweeping away the fact, were it not for Israel there would be no Palestinian refugees.


2) I am talking about designated Palestinian territory murders which have for the most part been caused by Israel, you are also denying the fact that Israel has in essence created a climate for refugees to be poured into States such as Lebanon which has led to their deaths i.e. Sabra and Shatila.


As for your mere sources, you can try and distract us from IDF murders all you want, though you have a cited examples of Palestinians V Palestinians. It doesn't really take the attention off Israel which has created an unstable political climate in the Levant region.

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5 years ago  ::  Sep 17, 2009 - 3:21AM #54
Magical
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I believe that when the Palestinians were given the Gaza Strip for free, many were refugees from Beirut, Lebanon where they were unwelcome by the Hezbollah or the Iranian/Russian influence. However Israel put their differences aside and paid plenty for that housing they blew up. But America spent 4 billion of our Tax dollars as well to help them! Now who should do what? I was raised to appreciate everything no matter what or who. For no one owes us anything! After all the crap the Israeli has put up with to make that a Democratic Society and take in many refugees as well as the Palestinians, IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT THEM! Recently 1000 East Indians that were Hindi but Jewish were persecuted in India and allowed to migrate to Israel and take refuge, many more have been welcome over the years and still today. The Gay People who wish to be married and live in peace are also welcome in Israel. Only an anti-semite, or a Jew hater thinks that Israel is the aggressor. From Chicago, Illinois many years ago there was a pilgimage of Black Hebrews that seeked refuge to Israel and they got it. Palestinians are very selfish, and Islamic Religion is as well. There is no way on earth that there is any God that is real, that would seek the death of any people. Especially when he said Thou shalt not Kill! Who are these selfish people that are trying to Lord over us with this false God of theirs! Insane is the best bet on that subject! Any fanatic that thinks that they have the right to kill any people in the name of God is a Criminal. Seems to me we forget that the Jew nor the Israeli, destroyed the WTC, and that there has never been an Israeli strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up restaurants, nor Temples, or Churches! How soon we forget? And if Palestinians wish to have a state then cough up the money, why doesn't the Saudi King help them out? ha ha Because they are like the Irish were to the British they were expendable, so they keep them there to keep their foot in the door for when they want to do damage and any moron knows that, for if they are so great and Islamic Brotherhood, then why doesn't their Islamic Bros help them rebuild their housing that they are responsible for destroying all by themselves! Just another Ghetto, that is whining about oppression and all we do is appease them in America, I hope Israel doen't anymore!

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5 years ago  ::  Sep 21, 2009 - 5:25AM #55
shmuelgoldstein
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Whatever happened to people learning basic compositional skills?


Do we all live in an age of "text-speak"?  Did we learn how to write on Facebook and Twitter?

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5 years ago  ::  Sep 27, 2009 - 11:35AM #56
KindredSai
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Sep 21, 2009 -- 5:25AM, shmuelgoldstein wrote:


Whatever happened to people learning basic compositional skills?


Do we all live in an age of "text-speak"?  Did we learn how to write on Facebook and Twitter?




Text speak has always existed Shmuel, as you know Arabic and Hebrew idioms ommit vowels. It seems like the English language is now following these rules with it's youth.

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 16, 2009 - 1:50PM #57
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Palestinian and Israeli leaders turned down Obama's invitation to have beer together at the White House, with Biden and Gates.    Obama's foreign policy is to let people do whatever they want, but make big campaign speeches to sound like he's doing something.  Obama had the opportunity to give up the missile shield over Poland in return for Russia's helping sanction Iran.  But Obama was too weak to do anything, except capitulate without anything in return.


Israel plans to bomb Iran, if no sactions are in place by Christmas.  Obama blew his chance to get sanctions.   Obama knew all about Iran's "undisclosed" nuclear facilities and did nothing, because it would interfere with his fake UN charade and vote to end nuclear weapons.  Then Iran openly disclosed what Obama already knew, so Obama pretended to be upset, in Pittsburg.


The world is just photo op for Obama, a place to make campaign speeches, and watch crowds adore him, while doing nothing to stop real nuclear weapons.   Obama will do nothing.  Iran will get nuclear weapons, but Israel will bomb Iran to stop it.  Russia will come to Iran's aid.  Obama will, as usual, do nothing, except give another campaign like speech, urging peace and the end of nuclear weapons.    Obama is out of his league.  He's more interested in feeding his own ego than doing anything constructive.   Peace chances in the mideast ended when we elected Obama president.

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 16, 2009 - 2:55PM #58
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Oct 16, 2009 -- 1:50PM, Agnostic wrote:


Palestinian and Israeli leaders turned down Obama's invitation to have beer together at the White House, with Biden and Gates.    Obama's foreign policy is to let people do whatever they want, but make big campaign speeches to sound like he's doing something.  Obama had the opportunity to give up the missile shield over Poland in return for Russia's helping sanction Iran.  But Obama was too weak to do anything, except capitulate without anything in return.


Israel plans to bomb Iran, if no sactions are in place by Christmas.  Obama blew his chance to get sanctions.   Obama knew all about Iran's "undisclosed" nuclear facilities and did nothing, because it would interfere with his fake UN charade and vote to end nuclear weapons.  Then Iran openly disclosed what Obama already knew, so Obama pretended to be upset, in Pittsburg.


The world is just photo op for Obama, a place to make campaign speeches, and watch crowds adore him, while doing nothing to stop real nuclear weapons.   Obama will do nothing.  Iran will get nuclear weapons, but Israel will bomb Iran to stop it.  Russia will come to Iran's aid.  Obama will, as usual, do nothing, except give another campaign like speech, urging peace and the end of nuclear weapons.    Obama is out of his league.  He's more interested in feeding his own ego than doing anything constructive.   Peace chances in the mideast ended when we elected Obama president.





Should we really be surprised?


Even without the Bible we knew that it would come to this.

For those who have faith, no explanation is neccessary.
For those who have no faith, no explanation is possible.

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 23, 2009 - 7:41PM #59
Agnostic
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Obama has the Final Solution.  As Obama indicated during his campaign, he's ready to talk to Iran's leaders.   Iran plans to wipe Israel off the map with nuclear weapons.  Obama knew Iran had undiscosed nuclear facilities, and did nothing, until Iran was so bolden as to talk about them.   Then Obama still waited until he did his phony UN vote on abolishing nuclear weapons. To do that he opposed France and took Iran off the UN agenda.  Then he waited until Pittsburg and did a good acting job of pretending to be upset at Iran.    Obama's underlying plan is to let Iran get nuclear weapons, let Iran destroy Israel, and then peace will come, at least between Israel and Palestine, as they will never have a war again, without an Israel.    The Arabs will go back to fighting among themselves, and peace will be as ellusive as ever.  Only this time, the Nazis will have won, with Obama's help. Remember, Obama was a member of an antisemitic church in Chicago for 20 years, and only disowned the antisemitic Rev. Wright, when he became a political liability.  Obama supports Palestinian terrorists.    Israel had a chance to survive, until we elected Barack Hussein Obama, the closet Moslem.  As the NYT reported, Obama sang the Islamic "Call to Prayer" in perfect Arabic, the "sweetest sound" Obama has heard.   The Trinity Church of Christ did not require christianity as a belief system for membership.  Moslems were very welcome, moslems like Obama.

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 23, 2009 - 11:19PM #60
Roodog
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Oct 23, 2009 -- 7:41PM, Agnostic wrote:


Obama has the Final Solution.  As Obama indicated during his campaign, he's ready to talk to Iran's leaders.   Iran plans to wipe Israel off the map with nuclear weapons.  Obama knew Iran had undiscosed nuclear facilities, and did nothing, until Iran was so bolden as to talk about them.   Then Obama still waited until he did his phony UN vote on abolishing nuclear weapons. To do that he opposed France and took Iran off the UN agenda.  Then he waited until Pittsburg and did a good acting job of pretending to be upset at Iran.    Obama's underlying plan is to let Iran get nuclear weapons, let Iran destroy Israel, and then peace will come, at least between Israel and Palestine, as they will never have a war again, without an Israel.    The Arabs will go back to fighting among themselves, and peace will be as ellusive as ever.  Only this time, the Nazis will have won, with Obama's help. Remember, Obama was a member of an antisemitic church in Chicago for 20 years, and only disowned the antisemitic Rev. Wright, when he became a political liability.  Obama supports Palestinian terrorists.    Israel had a chance to survive, until we elected Barack Hussein Obama, the closet Moslem.  As the NYT reported, Obama sang the Islamic "Call to Prayer" in perfect Arabic, the "sweetest sound" Obama has heard.   The Trinity Church of Christ did not require christianity as a belief system for membership.  Moslems were very welcome, moslems like Obama.





You are either reading News Watch and listening to Glenn Beck or you are pulling our leg!

For those who have faith, no explanation is neccessary.
For those who have no faith, no explanation is possible.

St. Thomas Aquinas

If one turns his ear from hearing the Law, even his prayer is an abomination. Proverbs 28:9
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