| 5 years ago :: Jul 27, 2008 - 3:52PM #21 | |
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thanks! Dr. Freud...
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| 5 years ago :: Jul 27, 2008 - 5:29PM #22 | |
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"Land belongs to whoever is strong enough to keep it. Like it or not that is a fact."
It is a viewpoint, not a fact. Land does not belong to anybody, unless property rights are established that are not significantly disputed. Sounds more like a fact... Yet, the very idea that a mortal human could "own" a part of mother earth, like one owns a pen or a thought, is ridiculous in my eyes...
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| 5 years ago :: Jul 27, 2008 - 8:41PM #23 | |
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Idealism? it has its limits.
Do you say that everyone owns everything? Gail |
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| 5 years ago :: Jul 27, 2008 - 9:35PM #24 | |
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[QUOTE=habesor;650785]Pax,
I think that it is you who have the facts wrong. In 19 37 the Palestinian Arabs were offered a partition that included eighty percent of the territory between the river and the sea. They turned it down because they would not tollerate the existance of an independent Jewish state on even twenty percent of the territory. In 1939 the Palestinian Arab leadership turned down the British White paper which limited Jewish immigration and set up a unitary state on all of the territory with an Arab majority and some limited autonomous rights for the Jewish minority. The Palestinians turned that down (so did the Jews) because they wouldn't tollerate or recognize any Jewish national rights and insisted that the British remove the Jews from the territory or they would do so when they had the opportunity. In 1947 the UN recommended partition of the territory with the Jews getting 30 percent more of the land than the first partition proposal the difference being made up of the Negev which was considerd a dry wasteland, at the time, being assigned to the Jews. The Palestinian leadership announced that they would not accept the UN recommendation and warned that they would oppose it by force. The day after the UN General Assemby adopted the partition resolution, the Palestinian Arabs opened hostilities. The Palestinian leadership refused to recognize or accept any compromise with Jewish nationalism until the 1980's. To get an idea of the totality of this rejection one need only read the PLO Charter which was first adopted in 1964 and was supposedly altered during the Oslo peace process though no new version has appeared. The Hamas Covenant continues with this total rejection of Jewish nationalism and it still remains unaltered. So when it comes to historical revisionism, Pax, you win first prize. Congratulations! By the way, you might want to find a good library and read up on our little conflict here before you continue to make any more comments. Habesor[/QUOTE] __________________________________________________________________________ Habesor has the facts right. I do not know of a single instance in which Habesor has ever been factually wrong on this board. I do not always agree with him, but in no case have I ever found anything he has written to be factually incorrect. And neither has anyone else been able to point out that his facts are wrong. Of course, things should always be checked. BUT, Habesor has indeed established a perfect track record of being right about historic fact every time. Ken...in pure moderator mode
Conservative, Libertarian, Life member of the NRA and VFW
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| 5 years ago :: Jul 28, 2008 - 11:12AM #25 | |
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[QUOTE=Armwar;613405]but ultimately, FO, and you have made this quite clear, you are not in favor of Israel as a Jewish homeland...and I suspect neither is Alex, and certainly not Sherri. Wgal and others on the left have made it clear that they are for withdrawal of US aid to Israel, US support---
all of which are not only anti-Israeli sentiments but fall directly in line with statements of all other groups who hate Israel and fervently strive or wish to see it abolished---all other anti-Zionists. Gail[/QUOTE] I still do not understand WHERE The Israelites are supposed to GO ( other than, AWAY ) ... |
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| 5 years ago :: Jul 28, 2008 - 6:15PM #26 | |
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[QUOTE=MarySara722;650404]Yes, and Adolph Hitler wanted to be an architect but he lacked a high school diploma.
But of course you'd see it that way. That should go w/out saying. And Elvis has left the building . . . :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] Non responsive post. |
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| 5 years ago :: Jul 28, 2008 - 6:18PM #27 | |
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[QUOTE=rangerken;650598]Land belongs to whoever is strong enough to keep it. Like it or not that is a fact.
Should Poland give back east Prussia and Silesia to Germany? Should Turkey give back Istanbul/Constantnople to the Greeks? Should the Saxons leave England?...and so forth. Reality does on occasion require restatement! Israel exists because the Israelis can defend themselves. If the Palestinians, and surrounding Arab states had the ability to desrroy Israel there would be no Israael. anyone care to dispute that? Ken[/QUOTE] Ken, supporting the ideology of the Nazi and the Rapist. Israel dominates because of American support. We are accesorry to theft, murder, and ethnic cleansing. And that is wrong. |
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| 5 years ago :: Jul 28, 2008 - 6:26PM #28 | |
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[QUOTE=PAXISPATRIOTIC;653895]Ken, supporting the ideology of the Nazi and the Rapist.
Israel dominates because of American support. We are accesorry to theft, murder, and ethnic cleansing. And that is wrong.[/QUOTE] An opinion which is not shared by all. BTW, opinion is not necessarily fact as much as I see you would like it to be. . |
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| 5 years ago :: Jul 28, 2008 - 6:30PM #29 | |
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[QUOTE=browbeaten;653917]An opinion which is not shared by all. BTW, opinion is not necessarily fact as much as I see you would like it to be.
.[/QUOTE] What a complete and utter non reply. If you have some answer, make it so it can be addressed. Your denial does not an answer make. No matter how much you wish it would be... |
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| 5 years ago :: Jul 28, 2008 - 6:42PM #30 | |
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[QUOTE=Armwar;651909]Idealism? it has its limits.
Do you say that everyone owns everything? Gail[/QUOTE] No, I think I just said that ownership of land is ridiculous... We're not here to own, but to care for. Or, as my company at Greenpeace had it: we just borrowed it from our children. If a land owner behaves responsibly in this sense, I see no problem. But the hubris and sense of entitlement that often comes along with land ownership is sick. Aren't there extremists around who think that whoever enters their little "property" can directly be shot? Sick. Now to relate that to Israel: I think the sense of Jewish (or Palestinian) entitlement that some here and elsewhere express is equally sick. This earth is just dust, better brush it off your shoes, folks!
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