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| 5 years ago :: May 27, 2008 - 2:18AM #1 | |
fodaoson
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In my biased ignorant opinion, a major problem in the Middle east is with a “Western” Israel. Jews, Moslems, Christians, Copts, lived in the area around Palestine from 70 C.E. until the 180o’s in relative co pertain. In that area In the late 19th century a Austrian Hungarian Jew founded the Zionist movement and wanted to restore the Jewish Homeland. When Israel’s in Established in 1948 Ethnic Europeans and Americans –Religious Jews migrated and populated the new nation. The indigenous Jews, a small portion of the population, were Middle Eastern in culture and thought. The Islamic people could accept Middle Eastern Jews because they had a common heritage. The German, Austrian, Polish, Russian, and American Jews did to share those customs and heritage. Russia is a European country, particularly culturally, philosophically and politically. Israel and for a small part Lebanon are culturally close to Europe. Lebanon for a couple millenniums has been a trading partner with the Mediterranean area of Europe. I think that part of the difficulty is the clash between European and Middle Eastern culture. The support of American for Israel adds to the clash. The US supports Israel because of the cultural ties, the large number of American emigrants to Israel, and because of the Christian premillenial thought about the “Holy Land”.
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| 5 years ago :: May 27, 2008 - 10:26AM #2 | |
teilhard
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Yes, exactly ...
The Clash of Cultures is between Liberal-Western-Democratic Values and Arab-Tribal Culture .... |
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| 5 years ago :: May 27, 2008 - 12:02PM #3 | |
rangerken
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Fodaoson and Teilhard are both correct.
Israel is a western country in the midst of middle eastern/islamic culture, and the two are not compatible. That western civilization is in every way superior in terms of economics, human rights, industry, science, and gender equality just makes things worse, because the Arabs closer to Israel cannot avoid seeing a society far advanced to their own, and, worse again, that their's, lacking major cultural change, has no chance of competing, much less catching up. I have no idea how to solve this problem. Ken
Conservative, Libertarian, Life member of the NRA and VFW
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| 5 years ago :: May 27, 2008 - 7:22PM #4 | |
Mlyons619
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It's really simple --
If you can't fight'em, join'em...
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| 5 years ago :: May 27, 2008 - 8:03PM #5 | |
SherriMunnerlyn
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[QUOTE=mlyons619;527590]It's really simple --
If you can't fight'em, join'em...[/QUOTE] mylons619, Who joins who? They outnumber us, and are not about ready to join us. Do we destroy our nation fighting them, expecting them to join us? Sherri |
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| 5 years ago :: May 27, 2008 - 8:15PM #6 | |
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Mlyons619
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Yup.
The Palestinian live in squalor - and the Israelis turned the desert into a garden. Been there. Have compared the two areas. The difference is that significant. And it's all the same land. No reason why the Palestinians can't have a garden either - their way isn't working tho. Obviously the Israeli way is. That why they oughta quit fighting and start joining in. Of course they can keep doing their dumb ole' way cuz there's more of 'em, right? Of course what that means is the emergency food aid shipments have to be bigger is all... ;)
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| 5 years ago :: May 27, 2008 - 9:08PM #7 | |
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| 5 years ago :: May 28, 2008 - 9:25AM #8 | |
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[QUOTE=rangerken;526750]Fodaoson and Teilhard are both correct.
Israel is a western country in the midst of middle eastern/islamic culture, and the two are not compatible. That western civilization is in every way superior in terms of economics, human rights, industry, science, and gender equality just makes things worse, because the Arabs closer to Israel cannot avoid seeing a society far advanced to their own, and, worse again, that their's, lacking major cultural change, has no chance of competing, much less catching up. I have no idea how to solve this problem. Ken[/QUOTE] "History" takes Time and Cultures DO absorb and influence each other even as they compete ... EVENTUALLY ( one can only hope ) the superiority of Western-Liberal-Democratic Cultural-Political-Social Values will ensure their integration into Traditional Societies over Time ... In the meantime, it is our Duty to SURVIVE the Onslaught ... |
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| 5 years ago :: May 28, 2008 - 6:47PM #9 | |
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fodaoson
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EVENTUALLY
( one can only hope ) the superiority of Western-Liberal-Democratic Cultural-Political-Social Values will ensure their integration into Traditional Societies over Time ... And maybe some influences will flow from the other side that will remove the self serving, I got mine you are on your own, nature of some of our underlying political, economic, social values our society. I sometime question the superiority of some of our values in terms of the common good
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| 5 years ago :: May 29, 2008 - 9:31AM #10 | |
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teilhard
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[QUOTE=fodaoson;529467]EVENTUALLY
( one can only hope ) the superiority of Western-Liberal-Democratic Cultural-Political-Social Values will ensure their integration into Traditional Societies over Time ... And maybe some influences will flow from the other side that will remove the self serving, I got mine you are on your own, nature of some of our underlying political, economic, social values our society. I sometime question the superiority of some of our values in terms of the common good[/QUOTE] We ARE only Human, eh ... ??? But the Western-Liberal-Democratic value of The Integrity and inherent RIGHTS of EVERY Individual IS a "superior" value, isn't it ... ??? |
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