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6 years ago  ::  May 14, 2008 - 4:33PM #21
Armwar
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No, that is a completely baseless characterization, from every angle.   Many poor Muslims continue to immigrate successfully into a much better life for themselves and their loved ones, whereas Tariq Ramadan is rich enough to support terrorist backers, and we won't  give him a Visa.

So you have it backwards...

Now why you, Char, continue to back this character is beyond me.  He is of ill-repute and up to no good.

Gail
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6 years ago  ::  May 14, 2008 - 5:06PM #22
CharikIeia
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Challenge to you, Gail:

(1) Show me where I "back this character" and.or "continue" to do so.

(2) Add some substance to your allegation of "baseless from every angle" in the previous post here.

Can you face up to this modicum of challenge, I wonder?
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6 years ago  ::  May 14, 2008 - 5:16PM #23
Armwar
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Your whole thread backs T. Ramadan and the direction he leads "moderate" Muslims in..and I showed you that it is a crock of bologna.

My post #20 refutes your assertion that America accepts rich Muslims, rejects poor Muslim immigrants.  Your statement is not fact.

Gail
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6 years ago  ::  May 14, 2008 - 5:34PM #24
CharikIeia
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Nope, I herewith refute your nonsensical claims.
Signed and decreed, Chari, who knows (even) better.
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6 years ago  ::  May 14, 2008 - 6:50PM #25
stevenlmeyer
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For those who want to know more about Tariq Ramadan in his own words here is a link to his
website.

http://www.tariqramadan.com/spip.php?lang=en

Of course this is his carefully cultivated public face.

Here is a quote:

"Again, Israel poses as the victim of bigots, extremists, and madmen! The same tired refrain, the old song, tried and true. Shame, and again shame."
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6 years ago  ::  May 15, 2008 - 2:24PM #26
Armwar
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His is a very carefully cultivated farce...

Gail
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6 years ago  ::  May 15, 2008 - 5:43PM #27
CharikIeia
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I don't get your message, steven.

Do you think what he publishes on his webpage is, or is not, his "carefully cultivated public face"?

Concerning the Turin book fair, you may read here the story behind the out-of-context quate you gave...

To me, it appears that your stance, as far as I understand it (unreflected dismissing of his criticism of Israel), directly corroborates his stance: that large part of Israel and its supporters have so deeply identified "Israel" with "victimhood", that the probability for meaningful dialogue is almost zero.
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6 years ago  ::  May 16, 2008 - 12:41AM #28
Erey
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[QUOTE=Armwar;499617]Your whole thread backs T. Ramadan and the direction he leads "moderate" Muslims in..and I showed you that it is a crock of bologna.

My post #20 refutes your assertion that America accepts rich Muslims, rejects poor Muslim immigrants.  Your statement is not fact.

Gail[/QUOTE]

America accepts rich muslims AND poor muslims.  What is different about American than say France is that our poor muslims are able to work, get educated, etc. and advance their situation.  Our muslims - many come from very modest backgrounds are of a higher eco status than the general population.  Too bad europe has such a hard time providing opportunities for muslims to advance so all they can do with their unemployed time is burn cars in the streets.
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6 years ago  ::  May 16, 2008 - 12:41AM #29
Erey
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[QUOTE=Armwar;499617]Your whole thread backs T. Ramadan and the direction he leads "moderate" Muslims in..and I showed you that it is a crock of bologna.

My post #20 refutes your assertion that America accepts rich Muslims, rejects poor Muslim immigrants.  Your statement is not fact.

Gail[/QUOTE]

America accepts rich muslims AND poor muslims.  What is different about American than say France is that our poor muslims are able to work, get educated, etc. and advance their situation.  Our muslims - many come from very modest backgrounds are of a higher eco status than the general population.  Too bad europe has such a hard time providing opportunities for muslims to advance so all they can do with their unemployed time is burn cars in the streets.
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6 years ago  ::  May 16, 2008 - 2:47AM #30
CharikIeia
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Interesting fiction you read to yourself, Erey. Anatolian peasants being allowed into the USA? Would be new to me... Reza Pahlevi and his offspring -- sure. News had it that recently, many many Iraq refugees were denied entry to the USA. Did that escape your attention, or is it just something completely unrelated in your mind? Also, I wonder where you've been when we've discussed this on the Middle East board. Tsk tsk.
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