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6 years ago  ::  Dec 31, 2008 - 9:59AM #1
JAstor
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We  know that terrorists have no compunction against using human shields. For some -- e.g. Hezbollah (see below: "U.N. Chief Accuses Hezbollah of 'Cowardly Blending' Among Refugees" -- it was a matter of pride ("they were proud because they lost very few fighters and that it was the civilians bearing the brunt" -- see below). It seems that Hamas is following the pattern:


Gaza: Hamas gunmen hide in hospitals
Shin Bet chief briefs cabinet on day five of Gaza offensive, says terror operatives hide in hospitals, mosques. IDF: Hamas increases use of densely populated areas for launching pads

Shin Bet Chief Yuval Diskin briefed the cabinet Wednesday on the progress of Operation Cast Lead.

According to Diskin, "Hamas has been attacked like never before. It has suffered significant damages and its rule over Gaza has been compromised."

Diskin also noted that large numbers of Hamas operatives are hiding in hospitals and that some are posing as medical staff. "Some are also hiding in mosques and some of those have been turned into headquarters, since they assumed Israel won't attack them there. Their weapons' labs have been completely destroyed and their tunnel system has been severely damaged.

"Hamas is trying to rebuild some of the tunnels in order to smuggle operative into Egypt."

Day five of the Gaza offensive saw the Gaza terror groups manage to target Israeli cities 20 to 25 miles away, as Grad rockets hit Beersheba and its surroundings. The IDF said the hits were a factor of Qassam cells firing from within populated areas within the Strip.

The IAF reported Tuesday of several sightings of cells operating in densely populated areas and attempting to use Palestinian civilians as human shields.

Cells have been detected in neighborhoods in Gaza City, Jabalya, Khan Younis and Rafah.

The IDF has distributed flyers to the Palestinian population in Gaza, warning civilians not to stay in the vicinity of terror cells, for their own safety.

"Hamas is known for using civilians as human shields," said an IDF source. "They force themselves on the population knowing the IDF would find it difficult to target them because of the risk to civilians."

Israel Air Forces fighter jets and Israel Navy warships have been patrolling the air and sea since the early hours of Wednesday morning in an attempt to locate more terror cells.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 … 20,00.html
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"Consistently, from the Hezbollah heartland, my message was that Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending ... among women and children," he said. "I heard they were proud because they lost very few fighters and that it was the civilians bearing the brunt of this. I don't think anyone should be proud of having many more children and women dead than armed men."
-- U.N. humanitarian chief, Jan Egeland

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,205352,00.html)
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6 years ago  ::  Dec 31, 2008 - 10:03AM #2
JAstor
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Here is a link to photographic evidence how Hamas has used civilians as human shields

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Ob … idence.htm


Deliberate use of civilians as human shields

In its fight to defend itself against Hamas attacks against its civilians, Israel is faced with moral challenges unprecedented in their complexity. Hamas, as a basic element of its strategy, exploits the Palestinian population as shields for its terrorist operations and infrastructure. This cynical strategy include the following tactics:

- The deliberate launching of rocket from populated areas
- The deliberate use of civilian homes to shield Hamas arms and explosives manufacturing facilities
- The deliberate use of civilians as human shields against anticipated airstrikes


Deliberate use of civilians as human shields against anticipated air-strikes

In order to avoid civilian casualties, Israel sends warning messages before attacking terrorist targets advising civilians to leave. Israel prefers to attack empty buildings used to manufacture rockets, even taking into consideration that the terrorists too will be warned and their lives spared.

Hamas, on the other hand, calls on civilians to come and to protect with their bodies the precise locations they expect Israel to attack. Since they know that Israel will usually strike from the air, they send the children to the roofs to prevent the air force from targeting that building.

During the course of the Israeli operation against terrorists in the Gaza Strip (March 2008), Hamas repeatedly called upon Palestinian civilians to gather near buildings where they feared that the IDF was about to launch air-strikes against Hamas targets hidden within. The purpose of the civilian presence was to have them serve as human shields, exploiting the fact that the IDF avoids harming Palestinian civilians, even if it means aborting attacks on crucial terrorist infrastructure targets.

The following are but a few of the documented examples of calls in the Hamas controlled Gaza media for Palestinians civilians to serve as human shields:

1) Hamas’s Al-Aqsa TV called upon children to form a human shield at the home of Abu al-Hatal of the a-Shouqaf quarter of Sajaiyeh in order to protect the building from an anticipated IDF airstrike (March 1).
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2) Al-Aqsa TV News broadcast a story about how a crowd of civilians gathered on the roof of Abu Bilal al-Ja’abeer in the Northern Gaza strip, in order cause the IDF to abort a threatened airstrike against the structure.
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3) Al-Aqsa TV called upon the Palestinians in the northern Gaza Strip to go to the house of Othman al-Ruziana in order to protect it against an anticipated IDF strike (February 29).

4) Al-Aqsa TV called upon the residents of Khan Yunis to gather at the house of Ma’amoun Abu ‘Amer due to an anticipated airstrike. (February 28). An hour later dozens of Palestinians from Khan Yunis were reported to have gathered on the roof of Abu ‘Amer’s house to serve as human shields to prevent the house from being hit (Pal-today Website, February 28).

5) Excerpts from a speech by Hamas MP Fathi Hammad, broadcast on Al-Aqsa TV on February 29, 2008:
Fathi Hammad: [The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: "We desire death like you desire life."
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6 years ago  ::  Dec 31, 2008 - 11:05AM #3
rangerken
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JAstor, all you are doing is stating the obvious. Radical islamists act like what they are, barbarians, and that they intentionally try to cause maximum harm to civilians is long extablished. I doubt you'll get a lot of replies because everything you wrote is established, documented, verifiable, incontrovertable fact.

We'll see if I'm wrong :)

Ken
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6 years ago  ::  Dec 31, 2008 - 1:16PM #4
JAstor
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[QUOTE=rangerken;987917]JAstor, all you are doing is stating the obvious. Radical islamists act like what they are, barbarians, and that they intentionally try to cause maximum harm to civilians is long extablished. I doubt you'll get a lot of replies because everything you wrote is established, documented, verifiable, incontrovertable fact.

We'll see if I'm wrong :)

Ken[/QUOTE]

I know at least one regular poster who has denied this in the past (e.g. in Lebanon). If things escalate, this will become more of an issue.
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6 years ago  ::  Dec 31, 2008 - 1:23PM #5
river8101
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Several pro-Palestininian posters deny it.    And yes, they are barbarians.   I just heard 2 Israelis were shot in a shopping mall in Sweden.
“Faith is deciding to allow yourself to believe something your intellect would otherwise cause you to reject.”
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6 years ago  ::  Jan 01, 2009 - 1:32PM #6
JAstor
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Hamas stoops to any low to achieve their fanatical gains.

They had been using a mosque to stockpile weapons and launch attacks, but Israel was able to find out and destroy it. Evidence of the existence of rockets in the mosque can be seen in footage in the link below clearly showing a relativfely small initial explosion followed by a much larger one:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129179
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6 years ago  ::  Jan 01, 2009 - 1:32PM #7
JAstor
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Hamas stoops to any low to achieve their fanatical gains.

They had been using a mosque to stockpile weapons and launch attacks, but Israel was able to find out and destroy it. Evidence of the existence of rockets in the mosque can be seen in footage in the link below clearly showing a relativfely small initial explosion followed by a much larger one:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129179
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6 years ago  ::  Jan 02, 2009 - 3:12AM #8
SherriMunnerlyn
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[QUOTE=JAstor;987809]Here is a link to photographic evidence how Hamas has used civilians as human shields

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Ob … idence.htm


Deliberate use of civilians as human shields

In its fight to defend itself against Hamas attacks against its civilians, Israel is faced with moral challenges unprecedented in their complexity. Hamas, as a basic element of its strategy, exploits the Palestinian population as shields for its terrorist operations and infrastructure. This cynical strategy include the following tactics:

- The deliberate launching of rocket from populated areas
- The deliberate use of civilian homes to shield Hamas arms and explosives manufacturing facilities
- The deliberate use of civilians as human shields against anticipated airstrikes


Deliberate use of civilians as human shields against anticipated air-strikes

In order to avoid civilian casualties, Israel sends warning messages before attacking terrorist targets advising civilians to leave. Israel prefers to attack empty buildings used to manufacture rockets, even taking into consideration that the terrorists too will be warned and their lives spared.

Hamas, on the other hand, calls on civilians to come and to protect with their bodies the precise locations they expect Israel to attack. Since they know that Israel will usually strike from the air, they send the children to the roofs to prevent the air force from targeting that building.

During the course of the Israeli operation against terrorists in the Gaza Strip (March 2008), Hamas repeatedly called upon Palestinian civilians to gather near buildings where they feared that the IDF was about to launch air-strikes against Hamas targets hidden within. The purpose of the civilian presence was to have them serve as human shields, exploiting the fact that the IDF avoids harming Palestinian civilians, even if it means aborting attacks on crucial terrorist infrastructure targets.

The following are but a few of the documented examples of calls in the Hamas controlled Gaza media for Palestinians civilians to serve as human shields:

1) Hamas’s Al-Aqsa TV called upon children to form a human shield at the home of Abu al-Hatal of the a-Shouqaf quarter of Sajaiyeh in order to protect the building from an anticipated IDF airstrike (March 1).
View clip

2) Al-Aqsa TV News broadcast a story about how a crowd of civilians gathered on the roof of Abu Bilal al-Ja’abeer in the Northern Gaza strip, in order cause the IDF to abort a threatened airstrike against the structure.
View clip

3) Al-Aqsa TV called upon the Palestinians in the northern Gaza Strip to go to the house of Othman al-Ruziana in order to protect it against an anticipated IDF strike (February 29).

4) Al-Aqsa TV called upon the residents of Khan Yunis to gather at the house of Ma’amoun Abu ‘Amer due to an anticipated airstrike. (February 28). An hour later dozens of Palestinians from Khan Yunis were reported to have gathered on the roof of Abu ‘Amer’s house to serve as human shields to prevent the house from being hit (Pal-today Website, February 28).

5) Excerpts from a speech by Hamas MP Fathi Hammad, broadcast on Al-Aqsa TV on February 29, 2008:
Fathi Hammad: [The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: "We desire death like you desire life."
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JAstor,

You obviously do not understand what using others as human shields means.  Here is an example, acts which Israel frequently engages in, as documented by human rights organizations. It is taking a Palestinian child and holding a gun to his head, and forcing the child to walk in front of IDF soldiers as they proceed to carry out searches and arrests of Palestinian homes in refugee camps in the middle of the night. This happens routinely in the OPT, and those arrested are often youths, who are often taken somewhere and tortured until they give somebody's name or make a false confession of a crime, there have been many reports of these kids suffering such extensive injuries they ultimately die. I read a report of a former IDF soldier, who was one of the soldiers carrying out a torture that resulted in a Palestinian youth's death.   

The Examples you provide are all illustrations of acts of nonviolent resistance, that I fully and completely support, when voluntarily carried out by participants, as they were in the examples you provided. It is OK to gather together and protect the homes of  your neighbors, after they have been informed their homes will be illegally destroyed in violation of intl law by your people's illegal Occuiers, as acts of punitive home demolitions. It is OK for mothers to place themselves between IDF soldiers and their children inside a mosque, that the IDF is trying to burn on top of those kids, with them still  inside it, to try to save the lives of their children. It is OK for people to mass together and force open borders that illegally imprison them, as the people did earlier this year at the borfer crossing with Egypt.

I encourage Palestinians to increase their acts of nonviolent resistance like those I addressed above , and I fully support them in these actions. Such acts are all expressions of courage and love, and no violence towards others is involved. These are the types of actions that need to increase and to have 100% support among the Palestinian people.

I remember when these events were happening, and David Howard stating the participants at the mosque, the women organizers, should receive a Nobel Peace Prize for their courageous acts in trying to save their children from Israeli slaughter.

Sherri
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6 years ago  ::  Jan 02, 2009 - 3:29AM #9
SherriMunnerlyn
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[QUOTE=rangerken;987917]JAstor, all you are doing is stating the obvious. Radical islamists act like what they are, barbarians, and that they intentionally try to cause maximum harm to civilians is long extablished. I doubt you'll get a lot of replies because everything you wrote is established, documented, verifiable, incontrovertable fact.

We'll see if I'm wrong :)

Ken[/QUOTE]

rangerken,

The problem with your comments here is these allegations that Hezbullah and Hamas are widely using others as human shields have been investigated and found to be untrue by human rights agencies, to include Amnesty Intl and Human Rights Watch, with reference to the 2006 war in Lebanon and with reference to prior military operations in the OPT. There was a report by Amnesty in 11/06, and a report by Human Rights Watch, I think the  following year, with regard to Lebanon. Both agencies issued multiple reports about the war with Hezbullah, but each issued one comprehensive report about the conflict, where this issue was addressed.

Your statement these allegations of the use of human shields by Hamas is widely practiced is incontrovertable is simply not true. I am not saying it never happens, there may be some incidents occurring,  but not to the extent you claim here. And certainly the acts of nonviolent resistance JAstor spoke of are not illegal uses of human shields that are illegal.

Sherri
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6 years ago  ::  Jan 02, 2009 - 3:52AM #10
SherriMunnerlyn
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Here is an article addressing this issue, with respect to Hezbullah and Israel. I want to point out something critical here, even if Hezbullah was using civilians to shield personnel or equipment, this does not authorize Israel to attack civilians or civilian objects. Under the Geneva Convention, there are always obligations owed to protect civilians and not target civilians.

"No Evidence Found

Investigations by independent human rights groups during last summer’s fighting did not find clear evidence that Hezbollah deliberately used civilians to shield their personnel or equipment from Israeli strikes. For example, a detailed study published at the end of the fighting in August by Human Rights Watch (HRW) reported that they had found “no cases in which Hezbollah deliberately used civilians as shields to protect them from retaliatory IDF attack.” Similarly, Amnesty International, in a well-documented report published in November observed, “While the presence of Hizbullah’s fighters and short-range weapons within civilian areas is not contested, this in itself is not conclusive evidence of intent to use civilians as ‘human shields’, any more than the presence of Israeli soldiers in a kibbutz is in itself evidence of the same war crime.”

Human rights groups noted that the Hezbollah militia–which, like most militias, is a volunteer force whose members lived with their families – did store weapons in or near homes and some of the militia’s hundreds of rocket launchers were found within populated areas, which are indeed violations of international humanitarian law since such practices put civilians at risk. However, Amnesty reported that while “The available evidence suggests that in at least some cases Katyushas were stored within villages and fired from civilian areas,” it was only long after most of the civilian population had been evacuated and that it was “not apparent that civilians were present and used as ‘human shields’.”

As Human Rights Watch noted, even the presence of armed personnel and weapons near civilian areas “does not release Israel from its obligations to take all feasible precautions to minimize harm to civilians and civilian property during military operations.” Similarly, Amnesty International noted how Protocol I of the Fourth Geneva Convention also makes it clear that even if one side is shielding itself behind civilians, such a violation “shall not release the Parties to the conflict from their legal obligations with respect to the civilian population and civilians.” "

http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4233

In this same article, the author points out that while Israel frequently accuses it's enemies of using human shields as a calculated policy, and these allegations have not been found to be true, human rights organizations have found that Israel uses this illegal maneuver as a standard practice.

"Israel’s Use of Human Shields

Ironically, while Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and other reputable human rights organizations–including the Israeli group B'tselem–have demonstrated that, while there is little conclusive evidence that the Hezbollah militia used human shields as a calculated policy, the Israeli Defense Forces have used this illegal maneuver as a standard practice, particularly earlier this decade following a right-wing coalition coming to power in Israel in early 2001. A recent HRW report  notes how “Human Rights Watch and Israeli and Palestinian organizations documented numerous cases of Israeli forces using Palestinian civilians as human shields.” Similarly, Amnesty International has reported how Israeli occupation forces in the West Bank “have often used Palestinians effectively as human shields, endangering their lives in violation of international humanitarian law. "

Sherri
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