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| 4 years ago :: Dec 16, 2008 - 4:19PM #1 | |
TheWhiteHart
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So Hal Turner states that $800 billion with of the Amero has been shipped to China. He claims to have one, minted in Denver, which he shows on his video. Should the Amero prove viable, he claims that the US Dollar will be immediately devalued to the point of US bankruptcy, forcing the people to accept the Amero and NAFTA .
Snopes, of course, claims this for a hoax. Anyone have more info? |
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| 4 years ago :: Dec 28, 2008 - 4:34PM #2 | |
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"When I don't know who I Am, I follow You
When I know who I am, You & I are One" Namaste |
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| 4 years ago :: Dec 28, 2008 - 5:56PM #3 | |
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I wouldn't be surprised. There is the Euro, minted to reflect the social politics of the European Union so the North American Union of Canada,Mexico and the U.S. would no doubt result in the minting of the Euro.
As for it's being shipped to China, I believe that. China is financially more viable than we are, as a nation, right now. In fact, they've helped to fund the occupation of Iraq since it's inception and, as a negotiation point, were given control over Iraqi crude exports in exchange. Now, with the recent news of bailouts, China's invested in that as well. (Not to mention the advent of certain aspects of Sharia law that are contained in the fine print of some of those banking negotiations. ) So, the shipment of the Amero to China would only make good sense as, in future, we'll discover our socio-political model has evolved into theirs. And as a point of trade, they'll be in control of our banking so they'll have to be able to hold the securities in order to be effective in that regard. Watch. It's not conspiracy theory when the government makes laws to watch you and sells your country, piece by piece, to China. (and the United Arab Emirates) |
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| 4 years ago :: Dec 30, 2008 - 12:33PM #4 | |
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TheWhiteHart
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Yep, I know that NAFTA is real. Supposedly the Amero coin Turner has is a gift shop curio thing. There are some who doubt Snopes nonpartisanship. We'll see, I guess.
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| 4 years ago :: Dec 30, 2008 - 9:12PM #5 | |
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TWH-
Did some googling; all of the links I found so far ultimately go back to Hal Turner, who apparently has racist, antisemitic ties, according to some blog posters. Most I read seem to deny that any "Amero" exists at all, which flies in the face of other interesting info I've found elsewhere which indicates that the ultimate goal of the PTB---the privately-held international banksters---is a OWG with One World Currency and a One World Bank. Here's a somewhat-lengthy cite in support, with a few introductory quotes:: “…[countries] would no longer be able to pursue any kind of independent policy. Sovereignty over the most powerful of all economic tools would be turned to an international monster…A world bank run by a world kingship of international appointees collectively not accountable to anyone? Heavenly days!”---Former Canadian Member of Parliament, Paul Hellyer, 1994, saying that under such a global currency/banking system “the interests of citizens, of individual countries must be subordinate…to the interests of international finance.” “The great struggle of history has been for the control over money. It is almost tautological to affirm that to control the production and distribution of money is to control the wealth, resources, and people of the world.” — Jack Weatherford, anthropologist and author of The History of Money. “The control of money and credit strikes at the very heart of national sovereignty.” — A.W. Clausen, President of Bank of America, in a response to the suggestion of a global central bank. [Clausen later became the President of the World Bank]. “Once a nation parts with control of its currency and credit, it matters not who makes that nation’s laws.” — W.L. Mackenzie King, [former Prime Minister of Canada]. [QUOTE]1969: “Let me turn from digging away at the opposition to something more positive, and start with the best and worst of international monetary systems. The first-best, in my judgment, is a world money with a world monetary authority.”— Charles P. Kindleberger, [Professor of Economics, MIT], speaking at a Federal Reserve Bank of Boston conference. 1984: “I have put forward a radical alternative scheme for the next century: the creation of a common currency for all the industrial democracies with a common monetary policy and a joint Bank of Issue to determine that monetary policy…This proposal is far too radical for the near future, but it could provide a ‘vision’ or goal which can guide interim steps...” — Richard N. Cooper [Harvard professor], speaking at a Federal Reserved Bank of Boston conference. 1998: “…the transition to a single currency for the entire world could come with a speed that might surprise many. The world might easily move from having almost 200 currencies today to having one within a decade, and twenty-five years from now, historians would wonder why it took so long to eliminate the Babel of currencies which existed in the twentieth century.” — Bryan Taylor, Chief Economist at Global Financial Data. 2001: “When VISA was founded twenty-five years ago, the founders saw the world as needing a Single Global Currency for exchange. Everything we’ve done from a global perspective has been about trying to put one piece in place after another to fulfill that global vision.” — Sarah Perry, Director of VISA’s Strategic Investment Program. 2004: “…if the global market economy is to thrive over the decades ahead, a global currency seems the logical concomitant.” — Martin Wolf, chief economics commentator for the Financial Times, former senior economist at the World Bank. In 2007, the Council on Foreign Relations propelled the idea of a planet-wide currency restructuring by publishing an article in it journal, Foreign Affairs, titled “The End of National Currency.” [Note: on the cover of this Foreign Affairs issue, the article is titled “One World, Too Many Monies.”] Benn Steil, the Director of International Economics at the CFR, wrote that national money systems should be abandoned, “Since economic development outside the process of globalization is not longer possible…” Stated even more succinctly, “Monetary nationalism is simply incompatible with globalization.” And, “In order to globalize safely, countries should abandon monetary nationalism and abolish unwanted currencies…” Even though Steil doesn’t ask the question, it becomes painfully obvious: What happens if China and other nations “fear the unbearable lightness of their holdings”? What becomes of the world economy if the US dollar is rapidly dumped by central banks? All of this underscores a strategic reality that can be summed up in three words: Crisis equals opportunity. As banking mogul A.W. Clausen once said, “new comprehensive politico-economic systems across peoples almost always arise out of conquest or common crisis…” Robert Mundell, “the father of the euro,” and one of the world’s most respected economists, also views crisis as the starting point for change. In a May, 2007 lecture, Mundell related, “International monetary reform usual becomes possible only in response to a felt need and the threat of a global crisis.” This Nobel Prize winner also pointed his finger to the possible trigger event, saying that the “global crisis would have to involve the dollar,” and that a world currency should be viewed as “a contingency” to a global dollar disaster. With a similar crisis in mind, Benn Steil offers what appears to be an altruistic solution. In order to avert the crisis, all that nations need to do is relinquish sovereignty before the problem become insurmountable. “Governments must let go of the fatal notion that nationhood requires them to make and control the money used in their territory. National currencies and global markets simply do not mix; together they make a deadly brew of currency crisis and geopolitical tension and create ready pretexts for damaging protectionism.” So how should monetary sovereignty by expunged? Steil candidly asserts that the world needs to re-group itself into three regional monetary units: the Dollar, the Euro, and a new Asian currency. This proposal mirrors the work of Robert Mundell, who has been traveling the globe lecturing on a new international monetary unit based on the US dollar, Euro, and Yen. Under Mundell’s plan these three currencies would form the basis of a “world currency unit” called the DEY, and the International Monetary Fund would be its manager. [/QUOTE] (cont)
"History records that the moneychangers have used every form of abuse, deceit, intrigue, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance."
-- James Madison(1751-1836), Father of the Constitution for the USA, 4th US President |
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| 4 years ago :: Dec 30, 2008 - 9:12PM #6 | |
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[QUOTE]The implementation of Mundell’s plan may not be too distant as major currency blocks, led by Europe’s success with the euro, are forming in different parts of the globe. South America, the South Eastern Asian nations, and Africa are all looking to create regional currency zones. The Middle East too is going down this road. In fact, in 2010, if all goes according to plan, the Gulf Cooperation Council – which is made up of a number of Middle Eastern countries, including Kuwait and Saudi Arabia – will have their own regional monetary system. And the world’s fastest growing city, Dubai, is located in a key member-nation of the GCC, the United Arab Emerites.
North America is also embracing currency integration. For years the concept of a North American monetary system has cropped up in central banking circles, with the Amero as the suggested name for the new continental currency. [See the July 2007 issue of Forcing Change for a 19-page report on this development]. And if not the Amero, then some believe the US dollar should become the tri-national staple. In May 1999, economist Judy Shelton suggested the dollarization of North America to the US House Committee on Banking and Financial Services. Others have likewise been examining currency options for the continent, and the momentum towards a new regional economic system binding Canada, the US, and Mexico has grown in intensity. But how do regional monetary blocks play into a Single Global Currency? Morrison Bonpasse, President of the Single Global Currency Association (SGCA), a group of economists working towards a world currency, answers that question, “The monetary unions of the twenty-first century, and those which survived the twentieth, are the milestones on the path to the future, and to the Global Monetary Union.” Bonpasse elaborates on this point further, “Thanks to the success of the European and other monetary unions, we now know how to create and maintain the 3-Gs: a Global Monetary Union, with a Global Central Bank and a Single Global Currency.” “The world is ready to begin preparing for a Single Global Currency, just as Europe prepared for the euro and as the Arabian Gulf countries are preparing for their common currency. After the goal of a Single Global Currency is established by countries representing a significant proportion of the world’s GDP, then the project can be pursued like its regional predecessors.” Simply put, the regional model becomes the steppingstone to a one-world currency. However, the problem of nationalism prevails. Discussing this “problem,” Bonpasse writes, “The task can be stated quite simply: how to move from the current 147 currencies to 1. Developing the political will to overcome the residual strength of nationalism is the major challenge for the movement to a 3-G world. As with the implementation of the euro, the economics and politics of monetary union are inextricably bound together; and the logic of both point toward the 3-G world. The question now is not whether the world will adopt a Single Global Currency but When? and How smooth, inexpensive, and planful OR rough, costly and chaotic will the journey be?” [Italics and capitals in original] To the internationalist, national sovereignty is the overriding obstacle. In order for a Global Central Bank and world currency to exist, some other political arrangements will have to be formed. Robert Mundell understood this political problem when giving a lecture in 2003 titled, “The International Monetary System and the Case for a World Currency.” His response was frank: “a global single currency could not be achieved without a global government. To enforce a single currency would involve big problems of organization.” But this reality isn’t stopping the SGCA and others of like mind from progressive planning. As Bonpasse asserts, “It is now time to seriously pursue the goal of a Single Global Currency as managed by a Global Central Bank within a Global Monetary Union.” Already the SGCA has a date in mind: 2024. Regarding a headquarters for the Global Central Bank, Bonpasse suggests Basel, Zurich, or Geneva. “Switzerland has a reputation for sound money, and locating the GCB in Switzerland just might be the necessary incentive for that country to join the Global Monetary Union as a member.” “The governing structure of the GCB should be relatively easy to design, given the available, successful models of the US Federal Reserve, European Central Bank, International Monetary Fund, World Bank, United Nations, and associated organizations such as the World Health Organization. Not everyone is happy with the structure of all those organizations, but it’s a negotiable political question…” He’s right: it is a political question. This was evident to Richard Cooper when he brought up the idea of a global central bank and currency while at a 1984 Federal Reserve conference in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire. “The idea is so far from being politically feasible at present – in its call for a real pooling of monetary sovereignty – that it will require many years of consideration before people become accustomed to the idea.” However, even then Cooper advanced a specific timetable to begin taking this idea seriously: “This one-currency regime is much too radical to envisage in the near future. But it is not too radical to envisage 25 years from now…” In retrospect, Cooper’s timing appears fairly accurate: Twenty-five years after 1984 brings us to 2009, and today the idea of a single global currency is starting to gain traction through organizations like the SGCA and through major advocates such as Robert Mundell. Moreover, the Bank for International Settlements – which is viewed as the central bank for the world’s central bankers – has publicly considered the potential for a one-world currency built around regional groupings. But will all of this “help the farmer in Africa,” or bring wage equality to the worker’s of the world? Probably not: it will, however, give unprecedented powers to an international banking cartel, the likes of which has never been seen or experienced before. As a critic of global banking once wrote, “Money is money, and banking is banking, and neither recognizes any allegiances that don’t bear compound interest.”[/QUOTE] With goodwill to all the People- Hatman
"History records that the moneychangers have used every form of abuse, deceit, intrigue, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance."
-- James Madison(1751-1836), Father of the Constitution for the USA, 4th US President |
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| 4 years ago :: Jan 04, 2009 - 7:29PM #7 | |
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[QUOTE=TheWhiteHart;960936]So Hal Turner states that $800 billion with of the Amero has been shipped to China. He claims to have one, minted in Denver, which he shows on his video. Should the Amero prove viable, he claims that the US Dollar will be immediately devalued to the point of US bankruptcy, forcing the people to accept the Amero and NAFTA .
Snopes, of course, claims this for a hoax. Anyone have more info?[/QUOTE] This is obviously a hoax. Why? Because if European and American money was to combine, Europe would insist on it being called the "Eureka" instead. Amero, indeed. There is actually a proven conspiracy we must thwart at every turn, and that is Europe's attempt to dominate our measurement system. They want us all to begin using something alien and evil they refer to as "Metric". Actually, I don't think we have a thing to worry about. No doubt, it won't catch on here in America. We tend to rebel against all attempts to make us change, for better or worse, based on anything Europe does or says. I for one will continue to use inches, pounds, my debit card, and to drive on the correct side of the road, all while thumbing my nose at Europe and munching on my freedom fries. :) |
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| 4 years ago :: Jan 15, 2009 - 12:35PM #8 | |
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TheWhiteHart
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[QUOTE=Hillela;996775]This is obviously a hoax. Why? Because if European and American money was to combine, Europe would insist on it being called the "Eureka" instead. Amero, indeed.
There is actually a proven conspiracy we must thwart at every turn, and that is Europe's attempt to dominate our measurement system. They want us all to begin using something alien and evil they refer to as "Metric". Actually, I don't think we have a thing to worry about. No doubt, it won't catch on here in America. We tend to rebel against all attempts to make us change, for better or worse, based on anything Europe does or says. I for one will continue to use inches, pounds, my debit card, and to drive on the correct side of the road, all while thumbing my nose at Europe and munching on my freedom fries. :)[/QUOTE] Not quite sure where you got Europe in there, considering that NAFTA is about the US, Mexico and Canada. ;) But thanks for the humor! |
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| 4 years ago :: Jan 15, 2009 - 12:36PM #9 | |
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TheWhiteHart
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A single globe currency will, of course, only make a very few people rich and powerful. It's a scary thought, really.
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| 4 years ago :: Jan 15, 2009 - 12:56PM #10 | |
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