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6 years ago  ::  Sep 16, 2008 - 2:01PM #1
myth0s
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How do politics and environment come together in a workable way? Can free-market capitalism and a green environment co-exist?  Often, a strong economy is accompanied by heavy use of the environment and its resources, so the two might be asserted to be inherently at odds with one another.

Can we have both a vibrant economy and a green environment, and if so, which political party is best suited to achieve these goals?
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6 years ago  ::  Sep 20, 2008 - 1:37PM #2
Karma_yeshe_dorje
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myth0s:

[QUOTE]How do politics and environment come together[/QUOTE]Yesterday I delivered 190 leaflets promoting the Greens candidates for the ACT electorate of Ginninderra.

[QUOTE]which political party is best suited[/QUOTE]For third party insurance, vote Green.
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6 years ago  ::  Sep 20, 2008 - 2:02PM #3
myth0s
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I'm not very familiar with Australian politics or the Green party you mentioned, Karma.  What does the Green party want to do with the economy to accomplish "green" goals?   Does the Green platform translate to economic growth or to economic recession?  If Green forms the government, will Australians be employed in well-paying jobs?
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6 years ago  ::  Sep 20, 2008 - 9:07PM #4
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6 years ago  ::  Sep 21, 2008 - 12:01AM #5
Karma_yeshe_dorje
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G'day myth0s:
   
[QUOTE]I'm not very familiar with Australian politics[/QUOTE][QUOTE]The Australian Greens is a confederation of eight state and territory parties which grew out of Australian environment movements in the 1970s and 1980s. The campaign to save Lake Pedder led to the formation of the United Tasmania Group in 1972. This was the first 'green party' in the world.

The 1980s were a time of enormous growth and professionalism in green movements, resulting in the election of Australia’s first green member of parliament. In 1984 a national conference was called and Greens parties were formed in Queensland and New South Wales. The NSW Greens stood candidates in the 1984 state election. In the same year Jo Vallentine was elected to the Senate for Western Australia as a member of the Nuclear Disarmament Party, before leaving to form her own. In 1990 this group merged with others to form the WA Greens.

Throughout the 1980s forest campaigns in Western Australia, Victoria, New South Wales and Tasmania strengthened and developed the green movement. At the end of the decade, the Wesley Vale Pulp Mill campaign saw three more Greens (Christine Milne, Di Hollister and Lance Armstrong) elected to the Tasmanian Parliament in 1989. With Bob Brown and Gerry Bates (who had been elected in 1986) they formed an alliance called The Green Independents. They held the balance of power, and the ALP governed with their support as a minority government until 1992.

The 1990s began with serious efforts to form a national Green political party. By the end of 1992, both the Australian Greens and a Victorian Greens party were established. In the national parliament, Jo Vallentine retired in 1992 and Christobel Chamarette filled her WA Greens Senate seat. In the 1993 federal election another WA Greens senator, Dee Margetts, was elected to the Senate, and she and Christobel Chamarette held the balance of power.

The new century brought increasing promise. The 2001 federal election saw Bob re-elected in the Senate for Tasmania and joined by Kerry Nettle for New South Wales. In a federal by-election in 2002, Michael Organ from Illawarra, NSW, became the first Greens member of the House of Representatives, but he lost the seat at the next general election.

In 2004, the Greens increased their Senate representation to four when Bob Brown and Kerry Nettle were joined by Christine Milne from Tasmania and Rachel Siewert from Western Australia.

At the 2007 Federal election, more than a million Australians voted Green. Bob Brown was resoundingly re-elected, but Kerry Nettle was not, despite an increase in her vote. Sarah Hanson-Young (SA) and Scott Ludlam (WA) will join Bob, Christine and Rachel in the Senate in July 2008.

At state level, the Greens have fifteen elected members of parliament: four in Tasmania, four in New South Wales, three in Victoria, two in Western Australia one in South Australia and one in the ACT. More than 80 Greens have been elected to local councils around the country.[/QUOTE]~The Australian Greens~

[QUOTE]What does the Green party want to do with the economy[/QUOTE][QUOTE]The Australian Greens will:

Taxation

22. reduce inequities in the current personal income tax system by:
• reducing tax breaks for high income earners;
• removing Fringe Benefits Tax concessions which promote increased use of motor vehicles;
• removing the concessional arrangements for Capital Gains Tax;
• only allowing losses from an investment to be offset against income from the same investment;
• abolishing the 30% Private Health Insurance Rebate in order to increase funding for public hospitals;
• taxing family trusts in the same way as companies; and
• eliminating high rates of effective marginal taxation for those on welfare benefits.

23. conduct an inquiry with a view to implementing changes to the tax system that address the negative impacts of the GST on:
• income distribution;
• environmental sustainability; and
• business administration costs.

24. oppose any increase or extension to the GST.

25. implement a gradual and long term shift in the tax system from work based taxes to taxes on natural resources and pollution including:
• a carbon tax levied on generators of mains-supplied electricity or gas;
• a national carbon trading scheme; and
• other ecological taxes and charges at a level sufficient enough that their prices reflect the full environmental cost of their production, use or disposal.

26. introduce a system of minimum personal and corporate tax legislation to reduce the opportunities for individuals and companies to use loopholes to minimise their tax obligations.

27. re-introduce an inheritance tax with full exemption for the family farm and exemption for the family home and other assets up to a total value of $2 million.

28. conduct a full review of the superannuation system with the aim of reducing its complexity and establishing progressive rates of superannuation taxation.

29. return the company tax rate to 33% and broaden the company tax base by reducing tax concessions.

30. end subsidies and tax concessions to environmentally harmful industries.

Economic Governance and Industry Development

31. implement triple bottom line accounting measures at all levels of government to incorporate social, environmental and financial impacts into policy development and assessment.

32. introduce broad measures of genuine national progress to supplement the current measures of GDP, including the production of a comprehensive national balance sheet that reflects this.

33. require all listed companies to report on standardised social and environmental indicators in their annual reports.

34. provide the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission with enhanced powers to prevent the formation of monopolies through ‘creeping acquisitions’ and to divest monopolies and oligopolies of assets if they are abusing their market power.

35. direct industry assistance towards the energy efficiency and renewable energy industries.

36. require major proposals to be subject to climate change impact assessment with the aim of reducing greenhouse gases.

Investment and Overseas Relations

37. strengthen the regulatory framework for banks and financial institutions to ensure that consumers and investors are better protected.

38. ensure that natural monopolies and other essential public services are under public ownership.

39. reduce Australia’s foreign debt and foreign ownership through use of trade, financial and regulatory measures to ensure more productive use of foreign capital and strengthening of Australian manufacturing, recognising the need to support economies in developing countries.

40. require the Foreign Investment Review Board to broaden its assessment of the national interest to explicitly include Australia’s long run energy security.

41. revoke sections of the National Competition Policy that seek to impose market values in public, social and environmental areas of Australian life.[/QUOTE]~The Australian Greens~
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6 years ago  ::  Sep 22, 2008 - 4:18PM #6
myth0s
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Well, it is good to see that there is at least a platform. Sometimes politics is more about rhetoric than practical goals. Sometimes political rhetoric is so filled with antagonism toward the status quo that there is very little sense or appeal to it.

If the Green Party of Australia sends out paper leaflets to households, I take it that they are not opposed in principle to cutting down trees or building pulp and paper mills to produce that paper? If they set up websites, I take it that they are not opposed to the industries that produce the materials used to make computers or the communications infrastructure that supports the internet? If they plug in their computers to the power grid, I take it they are not opposed in principle to hydroelectric dams or other means of producing electricity?

I see how there are ways to reduce human impact on the environment. However, I am still unclear on how "green" politics will affect the Australian economy or standard of living. What happens to the economy after the Greens form the government?
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6 years ago  ::  Sep 23, 2008 - 1:06AM #7
Karma_yeshe_dorje
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G'day myth0s:

[QUOTE]there is at least a platform.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]Australian Greens Policies by Category
Policy Category: A. Environment
Policy Category: B. Agriculture and Natural Resources
Policy Category: C. Climate Change and Energy
Policy Category: D. Care for People
Policy Category: E. Human Rights and Democracy
Policy Category: F. Media, Arts and Science
Policy Category: G. Sustainable Economy[/QUOTE]~Australian Greens~

[QUOTE]politics is more about rhetoric[/QUOTE]I have tried to keep policy realistic.

[QUOTE]antagonism toward the status quo[/QUOTE]Things are changing fast.

My mother found the electronic typewriter I bought her, frightening, and thought it advanced. Yet not being a computer, it was obsolete!

I read that wrought iron, of which I recall ornamental fences having been constructed, is no longer commercially produced.

[QUOTE]If the Green Party of Australia sends out paper leaflets to households, I take it that they are not opposed in principle to cutting down trees or building pulp and paper mills to produce that paper?[/QUOTE]That is the very antagonism of which you were accusing us!

[QUOTE]I take it they are not opposed in principle to hydroelectric dams or other means of producing electricity?[/QUOTE]I buy all my domestic electricity from local wind and solar generators.

[QUOTE]how "green" politics will affect the Australian economy or standard of living.[/QUOTE]Here is the Measures section of the Social Services policy.[QUOTE]The Australian Greens will:
13. adopt a commonly agreed, national benchmark to measure poverty in Australia.

14. reform the social security system to ensure an adequate income for all.

15. simplify the system of targeted pensions and allowances into a universal guaranteed adequate income (GAI) scheme.

16. support disadvantaged individuals and communities through specific public and community development housing, health, education and public transport programs.

17. conduct an ongoing evaluation program which measures the effectiveness of social welfare outcomes throughout Australia against public policy initiatives.

18. support an active not-for-profit sector that is able to provide direct advice to government on social services.[/QUOTE]~Australian Greens~

[QUOTE]What happens to the economy after the Greens form the government?[/QUOTE]We are tipped to decide the Australian Capital Territory Legislative Assembly next month.[QUOTE]Political pundit Malcolm Mackerras tips Labor and the Liberals will each win eight seats in the October ACT election, with Molonglo Greens candidate Shane Rattenbury holding the balance of power.[/QUOTE]~Canberra Times~

Here is the relevant excerpt of the ACT Greens Economics policy.[QUOTE]The ACT Greens want:
1.    a balanced budget over the business cycle
2.    an ACT economy that serves social and environmental needs
3.    financial accountability and transparency in public, private and community sectors
4.    a more environmentally, socially and economically sustainable private sector in the ACT
5.    the ACT Government’s net worth maintained or increased.[/QUOTE]~ACT Greens~
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5 years ago  ::  Oct 24, 2009 - 1:55AM #8
Karma_yeshe_dorje
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As I was walking to a play about global warming, Innocent I passed a socialist stall.


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But the badges didn't seem to be about environmental issues!


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