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6 years ago  ::  Sep 02, 2008 - 11:24AM #1
Yodalady_AA
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So the bombshell burst,  Sarah Pailin's daughter is pregnant, 17, and not yet married.   Any parent's worst scenerio but so common among teens it is almost a lifesyle. 

But do conservative parents find it acceptable?   Yes, I suppose it is nice Ms. Palin is supportive of her her daughter but part me long for the days when Parents showed a wayward child (of either sex0 the door and made them responsible for their actions. 

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6 years ago  ::  Sep 04, 2008 - 10:46AM #2
runegurl
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to be honest, i feel sorry for her daughter. they're making her marry the father, who is 18. 

think that will be a healthy marriage, with good parenting? 

and she's 17.  she's a kid.  i'm sure she's having a hard enough time coping with all this (she lives in a culture where she is now a slut, like it or not), and she's got the press all over her personal business. 

for me? i don't care. i don't care if she's pregnant. i don't care if she gets an abortion. i don't care if she has the kid.  it's none of my business, and i want her to make her decision based on what she believes, not on what i believe or what is most expedient for her mom's political career.

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6 years ago  ::  Sep 04, 2008 - 10:48AM #3
Tmarie64
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runegurl wrote:


for me? i don't care. i don't care if she's pregnant. i don't care if she gets an abortion. i don't care if she has the kid.  it's none of my business, and i want her to make her decision based on what she believes, not on what i believe or what is most expedient for her mom's political career.

rune


Exactly.  The problem is she's not allowed to think or have ideas of her own.

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6 years ago  ::  Sep 05, 2008 - 11:42AM #4
runegurl
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in fairness, we don't know this. 

now, i find it hard to *believe* that sarah palin would have let her daughter opt for an abortion. and i find it hard to *believe* that the girl is gung-ho to marry the rather vile young man who fathered the kind.

but, to be fair, i don't KNOW who made the decision, or how much freedom the girl has or does not have.  obviously, she had enough to get knocked-up in the first place.....

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6 years ago  ::  Sep 05, 2008 - 12:11PM #5
Agnosticspirit
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Hi Anna, how are you? :) I don't think an issue need to be made of this. It's unfortunate, but Palin isn't the first or last parent to have an unmarried, pregnant teenage daughter on their hands. Perhaps this will give them a little cause for pause in regard to their thinking that  abstinence only family planning is the right way to go.

Regardless of my ill opinion I have for Palin's extreme right wing view, I do have compassion for her daughter, for her family and hope the other side will leave them out of it. There's so many other irresistible reasons NOT to vote for McCain/Palin!! ;)
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6 years ago  ::  Sep 05, 2008 - 1:59PM #6
Tmarie64
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Yodalady_AA wrote:

So the bombshell burst,  Sarah Pailin's daughter is pregnant, 17, and not yet married.   Any parent's worst scenerio
Yodalady


I do have to disagree with this one line.   I know people who have had a daughter, kidnapped, raped, killed, and never returned to them.... THAT would be my worst scenario.
A teen ager getting knocked up... not a good thing, but not the worst by a long shot.

I cannot stress enough that her pregnancy is not, in my eyes, a reflection on her mother. 

AS... Nope, they won't rethink the abstinence only policy because they are the "moral" ones.  They believe that teaching kids about safe sex, birth control, and the diseases that can be contracted from sex is the same as telling the kids to go out and have sex with everything that will lay still long enough.

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6 years ago  ::  Sep 05, 2008 - 6:45PM #7
Agnosticspirit
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Tmarie64 wrote:


AS... Nope, they won't rethink the abstinence only policy because they are the "moral" ones.  They believe that teaching kids about safe sex, birth control, and the diseases that can be contracted from sex is the same as telling the kids to go out and have sex with everything that will lay still long enough.

People can surprise you! I know a pretty conservative couple in RL who've faced this as well. After their abstinence teaching resulted in pregnancy, they encouraged their unwed daughter to keep the baby and helped to raise him, and then promptly got her on the pill.... You know that old saying that a new liberal is an old conservative who's just been arrested? :rolleyes: Same principle applies.

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6 years ago  ::  Sep 08, 2008 - 5:43PM #8
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[QUOTE=agnosticspirit;743324]Hi Anna, how are you? :) I don't think an issue need to be made of this. It's unfortunate, but Palin isn't the first or last parent to have an unmarried, pregnant teenage daughter on their hands. Perhaps this will give them a little cause for pause in regard to their thinking that  abstinence only family planning is the right way to go.

Regardless of my ill opinion I have for Palin's extreme right wing view, I do have compassion for her daughter, for her family and hope the other side will leave them out of it. There's so many other irresistible reasons NOT to vote for McCain/Palin!! ;)[/QUOTE]

Spirit, given the family values of the Republican candidates is the topic here, would it be fair to mention that McCain attempted to obtain a license to marry Cindy before his divorce from Carole was final?
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6 years ago  ::  Sep 08, 2008 - 8:09PM #9
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TPaine wrote:

Spirit, given the family values of the Republican candidates is the topic here, would it be fair to mention that McCain attempted to obtain a license to marry Cindy before his divorce from Carole was final?

LOL, I think it would! The GOP likes to make the claim that they're the keepers of the family faith, the moral majority yadda yadda urk!!! :eek: So they open the door to their hypocrisy.

Still, I personally don't plan to focus on McCain's divorce or Palin's family - there are soooooo many other reasons of BIBLICAL proportions that this dimwitted duo needs to be kept far from the White House. Imagine... McCain has a heart attack in the middle of a crisis with Russia and Georgia and now Palin has her finger on the nuclear warhead. I don't want her anywhere near the ability to carry off her version of  "god's will". Nope. Don't want her anywhere near that. McCain sold out the moderates to cater to the fundies and will lose as a result.

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6 years ago  ::  Sep 08, 2008 - 9:49PM #10
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[QUOTE=agnosticspirit;751208]LOL, I think it would! The GOP likes to make the claim that they're the keepers of the family faith, the moral majority yadda yadda urk!!! :eek: So they open the door to their hypocrisy.

Still, I personally don't plan to focus on McCain's divorce or Palin's family - there are soooooo many other reasons of BIBLICAL proportions that this dimwitted duo needs to be kept far from the White House. Imagine... McCain has a heart attack in the middle of a crisis with Russia and Georgia and now Palin has her finger on the nuclear warhead. I don't want her anywhere near the ability to carry off her version of  "god's will". Nope. Don't want her anywhere near that. McCain sold out the moderates to cater to the fundies and will lose as a result.[/QUOTE]

I can't argue with that. People who are looking forward to the rapture and Armageddon should be kept at least 100 miles from the nuclear trigger.
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