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7 years ago  ::  Feb 01, 2008 - 12:33AM #71
eadler
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … id=topnews
Decline in Snowpack Is Blamed On Warming
Water Supplies In West Affected
"The persistent and dramatic decline in the snowpack of many mountains in the West is caused primarily by human-induced global warming and is not the result of natural variability in weather patterns, researchers reported yesterday.

Using data collected over the past 50 years, the scientists confirmed that the mountains are getting more rain and less snow, that the snowpack is breaking up faster and that more rivers are running dry by summer.

The study, published online yesterday by the journal Science, looked at possible causes of the changes -- including natural variability in temperatures and precipitation, volcanic activity around the globe and climate change driven by the release of greenhouse gases. The researchers' computer models showed that climate change is clearly the explanation that best fits the data.
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The American Geophysical Union says:

"Many components of the climate system -- including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation and the length of seasons -- are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century," the organization said, in its strongest statement to date on the subject.
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The chance that the model is incorrect, he said, is somewhere between 1 in 100 and 1 in 1,000..."

So scientists continue to study the trends and effects of Global Warming and conclude that Greenhouse Gases are the cause.
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6 years ago  ::  Apr 22, 2009 - 12:41PM #72
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Re: "The real reason is that this ground has been gone over so many times already. The world has moved on to the question of how to prevent global warming from running away and how to mitigate the effects that will cause problems for people living in sensitive areas." - Amen!


EVEN IF by some slight change the hundreds and hundreds of scientists (not the 400 sceptics mentioned - and no the 100s don't suggest climate change as a means to keep their job etc... it's the rest of us who have too much to lose that we don't want to hear it - how our life would change if there were no more cheap oil! Did you know of the 100 biggest global entities, more than half are companies, NOT countries? and of the ten biggest copanies in the world 5 sell oil & 3 sell cars... biggest companies in the world make a lot of profit and most to lose from us going on carbon diet...) are wrong: as people of many faiths don't most of us believe in following example of for example Prophets (e.g. Prophet Jesus led a very simple life, as did Prophet Muhammad, even though they could have so many riches) and to be grateful for God's gifts instead of showing ungratefulness and squandering the resources?

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6 years ago  ::  Apr 25, 2009 - 11:01AM #73
Karma_yeshe_dorje
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Globalnomad:






how our life would change if there were no more cheap oil!


The charts of resource depletion consequences look awful!


www.theoildrum.com/node/5330


I suggest therefore studying sustainable technologies.

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6 years ago  ::  Apr 26, 2009 - 11:59AM #74
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«This week, the annual European Geophysical Union (EGU)'s general assembly was held in Vienna. Friday afternoon, I went to one of the conference's last talks to learn about the latest news from the climate skeptics (have to keep an open mind…). It was probably the talk with the smallest audience in the whole conference»


www.realclimate.org/

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6 years ago  ::  Apr 26, 2009 - 1:24PM #75
Globalnomad
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Re: "I went to one of the conference's last talks to learn about the latest news from the climate skeptics (have to keep an open mind…). It was probably the talk with the smallest audience in the whole conference" - and how many were there because they were true sceptic and how many just to keep open mind? In peace, globalnomad

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6 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2009 - 10:08AM #76
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Globalnomad ...


You have a lot less to lose if the globe warms a tad than if it continues on it's cooling trend of the last 7 to 10 years.


Alarmists dismiss history in favor of the virtual world created by their models.  The last three times the sun has gone this blank, the earth froze.  Everytime the earth freezes .. people die.

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6 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2009 - 2:18PM #77
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Apr 26, 2009 -- 11:59AM, Karma_yeshe_dorje wrote:


«This week, the annual European Geophysical Union (EGU)'s general assembly was held in Vienna. Friday afternoon, I went to one of the conference's last talks to learn about the latest news from the climate skeptics (have to keep an open mind…). It was probably the talk with the smallest audience in the whole conference»


www.realclimate.org/



There's a very good reason for that.  Climate skeptics are not welcome at conferences like this.  Since AGW is "settled science," there is no need to even consider dissenting points of view- nice little piece of circular logic.  Picture the speaker at a National Organization for Women conference talking about the merits of a traditional marriage where the wife serves her husband with cheerful submission- not going to be a packed room, either.


Here is what happens when the "deniers" are actually allowed to debate.  Note that none of the heavyweights- Rev Al, James Hansen, et. al.- are actually willing to debate.  My favorite part is where AGW booster claims the idea that there was a mideval warming period is "flagrantly incorrect."  So to make the models work, we have to change history.  Or maybe the MWP never happened.  It's really good reading.


A sweltering 90 F in the Wilds of Virginia today,


BeerLover

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6 years ago  ::  Apr 29, 2009 - 1:51PM #78
Karma_yeshe_dorje
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Bodean:


dismiss history

Unfortunately, Earth history goes a lot further back!





 

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