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11 years ago  ::  Dec 08, 2007 - 9:19AM #1
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Ross McKitrick writes.

"The data come from thermometers around the world, but between the thermometer readings and the final, famous, warming ramp, a lot of statistical modelling aims at removing known sources of exaggeration in the warming trend. In a new article just published in the Journal of Geophysical Research -- Atmospheres, a co-author and I have concluded that the manipulations for the steep post-1980 period are inadequate,

"Other graphs come from weather satellites and from networks of weather balloons that monitor layers of the atmosphere. These other graphs don't show as much warming as the weather-station data, even though they measure at heights where there is supposed to be even more greenhouse-gas-induced warming than at the surface. The discrepancy is especially clear in the tropics."

Thus ... has it "Really" warmed as much as the IPCC says it has???

Are melting glaciers and drowing polar bears just "regional effects"??

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10 years ago  ::  Dec 22, 2007 - 2:25AM #2
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This is the environmental news & politics forum.
[QUOTE]In 2007, the debate about the reality of global warming ended, at least in the political and public realms in the United States. After 6 years of silence, the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) drew heavy and wholly positive media coverage for a series of wide-ranging reports. The world is warming, IPCC declared; human activity is behind most of it, and if it keeps up we'll pay a price. But the panel also said that much of the climate pain might be avoided if the world agrees to begin sharing the economic pain. Impressed with that performance, the Nobel committee anointed IPCC, as well as climate campaigner Al Gore, with its Peace Prize.[/QUOTE]~Science~
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10 years ago  ::  Dec 24, 2007 - 12:20PM #3
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Yeah .. your right ....

I'll refer to my global cooling thread .. where it is detailed that South America just experienced its coldest winter in decades.

Record cold is being set all over the world.

Ice cover of the Northern hemisphere is at a all time high and is surpassing what is considered "normal"

Latest I just read, Wisconsin is about to break its all time snow records.

GISS shows the globe has cooled 0.1C in the last 12 mo, and according to the astrophysicist, the news is not good .. it's expected to get even colder!

Other news, two new studies have shown that the UHI adjustments are likely too small, and that in fact, the temperatures that we are being fed (unprecedented warming) are likely false!!

YEP ... the fricken globe is just burning up!!!

If that ain't news ... then just what the hell is????
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10 years ago  ::  Dec 24, 2007 - 1:46PM #4
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Long term average temperature is the relevant thing.  Short term regional swings are variables too numerous and complex to use for global average temperature analysis.  The problem is finding accurate markers.
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10 years ago  ::  Dec 24, 2007 - 6:51PM #5
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[QUOTE]South America just experienced its coldest winter[/QUOTE]La Niña is a temporary interlude that is welcomely filling our dams!
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