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7 years ago  ::  Dec 02, 2007 - 8:26PM #1
CityZen_X
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The horror that the innocent Iraqi's have had to endure ever since Amerika infected their lives is an act of vile criminality beyond description.
During the Clinton Junta it is reported that some 500,000 children died as a direct result of the Slick Willy embargo that denied the neccessary medical equipment and medical supplies that were in dire need to releave and heal the children of Iraq.

Now here we have an added horror to the Iraqi psyche. Baghdad is facing a 'catastrophe' with cases of cholera rising sharply in the past three weeks to more than 100, strengthening fears that poor sanitation and the imminent rainy season could create an epidemic.

Gee, I thought that all of those no-bid contracts that were awarded to the friends of this current criminal government were given as to repair the infrastructure of Iraq.

Iraq's rainy season nears, its ageing water pipes and sewerage systems, many damaged or destroyed by more than four years of war, pose a new threat to a population weary of crisis. Claire Hajaj, a spokeswoman for Unicef, said: 'Iraq's water and sanitation networks are in a critical condition. Pollution of waterways by raw sewage is perhaps the greatest environmental and public health hazard facing Iraqis - particularly children.

Yes children, the ones that have been dying as a direct result of Amerikan intervention. And were not even talking about the sudden increase of lukemia and cancer rates that are making there way through the bodies of innocent men, women, and children. These rates were unprecedented  before the waste of Amerikan DU munitions.

Martin Luther King once stated in a speech given in Riverside Church, "America must change her ways or God will take His Hands off of her."
Those Hands have been removed some time ago.

Cholera Crisis Hits Baghdad  http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/st … e_continue
To "choose" dogma and faith over doubt and experiment is to throw out the ripening vintage and to reach greedily for the Kool-Aid."

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7 years ago  ::  Dec 03, 2007 - 10:35AM #2
Mubzxay
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[QUOTE=CityZen_X;110825]The horror that the innocent Iraqi's have had to endure ever since Amerika infected their lives is an act of vile criminality beyond description.
During the Clinton Junta it is reported that some 500,000 children died as a direct result of the Slick Willy embargo that denied the neccessary medical equipment and medical supplies that were in dire need to releave and heal the children of Iraq.

Now here we have an added horror to the Iraqi psyche. Baghdad is facing a 'catastrophe' with cases of cholera rising sharply in the past three weeks to more than 100, strengthening fears that poor sanitation and the imminent rainy season could create an epidemic.

Gee, I thought that all of those no-bid contracts that were awarded to the friends of this current criminal government were given as to repair the infrastructure of Iraq.

Iraq's rainy season nears, its ageing water pipes and sewerage systems, many damaged or destroyed by more than four years of war, pose a new threat to a population weary of crisis. Claire Hajaj, a spokeswoman for Unicef, said: 'Iraq's water and sanitation networks are in a critical condition. Pollution of waterways by raw sewage is perhaps the greatest environmental and public health hazard facing Iraqis - particularly children.

Yes children, the ones that have been dying as a direct result of Amerikan intervention. And were not even talking about the sudden increase of lukemia and cancer rates that are making there way through the bodies of innocent men, women, and children. These rates were unprecedented  before the waste of Amerikan DU munitions.

Martin Luther King once stated in a speech given in Riverside Church, "America must change her ways or God will take His Hands off of her."
Those Hands have been removed some time ago.

Cholera Crisis Hits Baghdad  http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/st … e_continue[/QUOTE]
Since when did God have his hands on America?

one problem with America,, is that even the nice Americans suffer grandiose delusions... such as yours...

(PS   te Great Satan is NOT a misnomer)
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7 years ago  ::  Dec 03, 2007 - 8:18PM #3
CityZen_X
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Mubzxay wrote:

Since when did God have his hands on America?

one problem with America,, is that even the nice Americans suffer grandiose delusions... such as yours...

(PS te Great Satan is NOT a misnomer)



You are absolutely right per the misnomer! My point of the hands off, is from a satyrical perspective.

It's an irony that the toilet paper that we call currency has the inscipt "In God We Trust." I find it to be hilarious that God trusts the Canadians more, seeing that their currency has more value!Maybe America needs to find a more trustworthy god?

To "choose" dogma and faith over doubt and experiment is to throw out the ripening vintage and to reach greedily for the Kool-Aid."

Christopher Hitchens

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7 years ago  ::  Dec 03, 2007 - 9:00PM #4
Mlyons619
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So it's all America's fault again, eh?

I quote from the Guardian article

... its ageing water pipes and sewerage systems, many damaged or destroyed by more than four years of war, pose a new threat ...



Hmmm?  Aging?  Why wasn't it kept in good repair?  Saddam's Ba'athist Party was pocketing the monies for infrastructure maintenance.

... but the main Shia enclave of Sadr City was among the areas hardest hit...



Hmmm?  Saddam and his Ba'athist Party wasn't really interested in the Shia areas of Baghdad now was he?

... Many have been ... too afraid to go out to buy bottled water...Companies responsible for collecting waste and sewage have been reluctant to enter Baghdad's most violent areas...



Are they afraid of Americans -- or are they afraid of Sunni insurgents or Shiite militia?

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7 years ago  ::  Dec 03, 2007 - 9:22PM #5
CityZen_X
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Mylons

Maybe you should be asking. where is the progress, and where has all the money gone for the Iraqi infrastructure? Don't you think that water, sewage, and electricity should have been taken care of by now.
Or should we blame it on Willy Clinton or Sodumb Insane?

So you do not think that dropping the insane amount ordinance upon Baghdad (Shock & Awe) had anything to do with the destruction and disfunction of essential services for a decent quality of life?

What would Iraq's infrastructure be like if Amerika did not illegally invade and destroyed what was working just fine prior to the invasion?
To "choose" dogma and faith over doubt and experiment is to throw out the ripening vintage and to reach greedily for the Kool-Aid."

Christopher Hitchens

The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshipped anything but himself.
  - Sir Richard Francis Burton
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7 years ago  ::  Dec 03, 2007 - 9:43PM #6
Mlyons619
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[QUOTE=CityZen_X;113570]...where is the progress, and where has all the money gone for the Iraqi infrastructure? Don't you think that water, sewage, and electricity should have been taken care of by now....?[/quote]

There have been many threads that have discussed this.  Monies HAVE been wasted, misappropriated (stolen), or overspent, and the new Iraqi government has certainly demonstrated its corruption.  However, rebuilding a country's infrastructure from top to bottom takes time measured in YEARS not months.

[QUOTE=CityZen_X;113570]...Don't you think that dropping the insane amount ordinance upon Baghdad (Shock & Awe) had anything to do with the destruction and disfunction of essential services for a decent quality of life...What would Iraq's infrastructure be like if Amerika did not illegally invade and destroyed what was working just fine prior to the invasion?[/QUOTE]

Neglect and not bombs is the primary reason the Iraqi infrastructure is failing.    Much of the bomb damage incurred was caused in 1991 by DESERT STORM and not Shock and Awe (which targeted Iraqi Command and Control facilities).  Also, much of the infrastructure failure was caused NOT by war damage, but rather by AGE and NEGLECT as Saddam and his cronies misappropriated infrastructure maintenance funds; see reference:  [http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/contracts/pdf … tach6.pdf].
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7 years ago  ::  Dec 03, 2007 - 10:31PM #7
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[QUOTE=mlyons619;113506]So it's all America's fault again, eh?

I quote from the Guardian article

Hmmm?  Aging?  Why wasn't it kept in good repair?  Saddam's Ba'athist Party was pocketing the monies for infrastructure maintenance.

Hmmm?  Saddam and his Ba'athist Party wasn't really interested in the Shia areas of Baghdad now was he?

Are they afraid of Americans -- or are they afraid of Sunni insurgents or Shiite militia?[/QUOTE]

The fact is that the current public health situation is worse than it was under Saddam.
There is widespread corruption and incompetence in the Iraqi government. The source of the government revenue is oil money. It is estimated that $3B of oil money is stolen annually.
A lot of the remaining money is pocketed by corrupt officials and very little gets spent where it is needed.
The corruption and incompetence is worse than under Saddam. From the Guardian Article:

"The government has been trying to educate Iraqis through advertisements on TV and in newspapers and with leaflets handed out at checkpoints. But it admits that six hospitals have unsafe water supplies."

Iraq is still our broken pottery 4 1/2 years after the invasion. Despite the improvement in security, Iraq is a failed state. We can't blame that on Saddam, even if you disagree with the blame america  rhetoric of CityZen.

The dust from uranium munitions would seem on the basis of their nature to be quite hazardous.
There probably is scientific merit to the claim that this is dangerous stuff. If we wanted to make a dirty bomb, it probably could be used for that, although it may not be the most effective thing to use.
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7 years ago  ::  Dec 05, 2007 - 7:42AM #8
johndavid23
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It is not blame, but responsibility, which must guide future actions toward Iraq.

What American WMD have destroyed there, American money and labor should rebuild.
Lives broken by American weapons, guns, prisons, torture and criminally negligent "control" of the country they illegally "occupied" DESERVE all the resources Americans can muster to rebuild and reconstitute an ancient civilization.

And, of course, greedy hands off the oil.
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7 years ago  ::  Dec 05, 2007 - 9:03AM #9
Mubzxay
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So America is only to blame in regard to Iraq?

The USA has OBVIOUSLY  done only good things, but sometimes gets a bit confused in the middle -east (must be the oil)...

If you don't believe just study South American history....America’s backyard SO have nothing to complain about... (neither does Africa(!) )....

Just goes to show...you learn something new everyday.....

PS. The Marshall plan? Anyone…
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