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7 years ago  ::  Nov 28, 2007 - 5:02PM #1
newyawka
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the term "islamo-fascism":
http://www.ips.org/blog/jimlobe/?p=80

another link:
http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/
scroll down to november 27.
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7 years ago  ::  Nov 28, 2007 - 10:17PM #2
rangerken
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Newyawka, by all means post links to articles of interest. However, please add some commentary of your own about them. It need not be long, just something to suggest why someone should go to the article, and.or your opinion about it. This is a discussion site after all :)

thanks,

Ken
Libertarian, Conservative, Life member of the NRA and VFW
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7 years ago  ::  Nov 30, 2007 - 1:41PM #3
Erey
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It's sloppy comentary from Jim Lobe.  I doubt  he even spent 15 minutes writing it.

First it is entirely hypocritical to damn the term Islamo-fascim and in the same breath and without any sense of ironic  shame use the term neocon.  Right there pretty much invalidates the entire article.

Second it is Islamo-fascism NOT Islamo-nazisim.  So we are using fascism in the general sense inclusive of Japan and Italy and even Spain and Greece, if anyone cares to be that through.  The writer does not even attempt to rationalize the his whining non issue about focusing on the nazis.  A trip to your nearest dictionary will prove that fascism is not inappropriate to what we are seeing today in Islamism. 

Islamo-fascism might or might not be the best term but it does fit.  However it does have a oh so yesterday feel to it in the ever hysterical race to describe a movement criticising a group of people that are 1. not christian and 2. mostly not white.  In this frantic exercise in political correctness  and white guilt we have seen lots of names and terms.  The term du jour that you will find everywhere, even Islamic publication is Islamism.  But even that name has not settled into any comfortable place.  Islamo-fascism, radical Islam, militant Islam, Islamism, all these are terms used and latter debated.  Who cares?

How much longer is the left going to indulge in this white-guilt driven pathetic exercise in what is now a global movement that is based in Islam?  Hmmmm? 


And whereas I don't read of torturing any SS officers the allied forces in the years immediately following the collapse of the Axis powers went through europe and systematicaly executed these people, without much fanfare.  They had to drive out nazism from europe and they did nto want to risk anymore civilian lives in doing so.  AS a consequence many of these men affiliated with the SS or the nazi army were killed, execution style with a bullet to the head.  They were not given a chance to have their dignity bruised in Guantanamo.  Nor did the UN get to dither about how fair it would be to detain them.  Just Pow, Bang, now dig a hole.

maybe it was wrong?  It is hard to evaluate.  But it cleared out europe, there were no more bloody battles and skirmishes where people wanted to make martyrs of innocent children caught in the cross fire.
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7 years ago  ::  Nov 30, 2007 - 2:09PM #4
rabello
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Well, the neoCons named themselves and what is happening in Islamic nations simply doesn't fit the correct definition of fascism.   Demonizing an entire religion and its people with misappropriated and MADE-UP words that are used merely to incite negative, hateful emotions don't help solve the problems, either.
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7 years ago  ::  Nov 30, 2007 - 2:44PM #5
newyawka
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[QUOTE=rabello;105830]Well, the neoCons named themselves.[/QUOTE]

it's short for neo-conservative and, as rabello says, it's a term coined by the people who use it of their own philosophy. what "ironic shame" there would be in using it only erey will be able to explain.

[QUOTE=Erey]How much longer is the left ... [/QUOTE]

lobe isn't a leftist, he's a paleocon (another term developed by the people who apply it to their own philosophy). however, erey's inability to see the world in any colors other than two  - "the left" vs. her side - reveals her analysis to be at the depth of an a.m.-radio rant.
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7 years ago  ::  Nov 30, 2007 - 2:51PM #6
rabello
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newyawka, I believe it is an argument against the Geneva Conventions which were enacted after WWII precisely to prevent the brutality that was seen in that war.
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7 years ago  ::  Nov 30, 2007 - 3:10PM #7
Erey
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Haven't you two every heard of Michael Harrington?  I wonder because you both speak with such contemptuous authority. 
Michael Harrington is the first person to coin the term "neoconservative" and yes he used it derisively and insultingly.  But he used it against the liberals who came to the realization that the soviets were not good guys and communism is not a force for good.  Basicaly saying those people were no longer liberals but were instead neoconservatives. 

Second people like Lobe enjoy being so pious on terms like Islamo-fascism or Islamism or what have you because the are so overwhelmed with white guilt they are trying to do anything possible to avoid discussing the fact that we have today a problem within the Islamic world that effects the entire globe.   Oh dear that does not feel good to discuss so let's get up a heaping, helping of mock outrage to talk about how offensive it MIGHT be.  You would think people would be more concerned over the abuse of rapped women and jailed teachers and hanged mentaly retarded "adulterers" and hatred of jews and strickt dress codes enforced, and riots and killing film makers and killing novelists and killing boys who laugh or women who laugh or whipping people who fly kites or draw cartoons or make casual comments about the prophet or anything like that.

Oh no, we want to get reallly worked up over how appropriate this term is.  Because it is so much more comfortable to discuss semantics than it is the real problem.  The fact is there is not a term in existance that can pin point the problem without making people feel  uncomfortable.

The issue is today we have a global, dysfucntional movement within Islam.  It is dangerous, it does not regard human life or happiness.  People are using Islam to shape a dangerous world view.

If that makes muslims feel bad then I am sorry.  If that makes liberals with white guilt feel bad then I say get the hell over it.
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7 years ago  ::  Nov 30, 2007 - 3:15PM #8
rabello
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"White guilt" is a label like "Islamofascism", basically has no meaning., and does nothing to explain--or solve--the turbulant political  events going on in the world today, of which America has been a major player.
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7 years ago  ::  Nov 30, 2007 - 3:20PM #9
Erey
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Rabello,
You are talking about everything but what is really going on.  Just pussyfooting with semantics like Jim Lobe.  Just doing anything to solve your white guilt.

White Guilt means only white people have these kinds of stupid conversations.  It is endemic in the white culture - pretty much.

No other racial group, the asians, other muslims, africans, latins have such a difficult time talking about Islamism.  No other racial group plays the semantics game, none.
Only white people have this problem.   Only white people, esp white liberals what to come up with any excuse blaming the current situation on other white people.  Why do you think Osama Bin Laden gets so many talking points from the white liberal left?
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7 years ago  ::  Nov 30, 2007 - 3:26PM #10
rabello
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"Why do you think Osama Bin Laden gets so many talking points from the white liberal left?"

--Yeah right.  Especially the liberal talking points about equality and justice for all--things like that.
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