[QUOTE=stitch813;27337]Is anybody else really sick of her?  I'm happy she lived till 60 but is that news?  And what about Elvis Costello singing Happy Birthday Mrs. President?  Please.  She hasn't won yet and except for a handful of people I can't find anybody who says they'll vote for her and I live in NY.

Why do we have primaries or even elections for that matter?  Didn't we learn anything when we anointed John Kerry back in early May?  I would love a primary season that goes down to the convention.  I hate the horse race aspect of this election.  We are not betting on a horse we are selecting our next president.  Where are the 50% of Americans who say they are voting for her?  I think they are sitting in their Republican households singing Oh What a Beautiful day? I've got a wonderful feeling everythings going their way.[/QUOTE]

Stitch, this article speaks of the very thing that you are concerned about.  The Clinton campaign camp is doing the same thing that the Howard Dean campaign camp did in 2003....they are announcing the president before the elections.


October 20, 2007,  8:28 pm
Looking for President Dean

By Christine Hauser

Where is President Dean?

Well, you know what the polls are showing, the reporter pressed on.

“I know what they showed in 2003 and I haven’t met President Dean yet,” Mr. Edwards said. “I don’t think he got the nomination and I don’t think he became elected president.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007 … dent-dean/

Oh, I'm sick of her, all right.  Notice there are two prominent Democratic politicians on the "most admired people" part of my Bnet profile -- and both of them are opposed to Hillary Clinton.

(Though why supporting legislation that helps kids like the Dream Act is reason to oppose her is mindboggling -- there are plenty of other, GOOD reasons ...)

Coach Bob, thanks for your response.  It was refreshing.  I'm not quite sure who I support.  I think Obama is inspirational but inspiration doesn't seem to be selling.  I think John Edwards is good on the road but too slick in all those things that sell presidents to the public, and I think Bill Richardson has the most experience but the least chance of the three.

My husband(who is Republican) and I had the Republican voting conversation this morning and truthfully the only one I could even think of voting for is Ron Paul, but I don't think the Reps will get him out of the primaries.

I told my hubby if it were Hillary I would vote third party.  I live in NY so it wouldn't matter anyway.

Hillary Clinton is a very strong favorite with many democratic voters. The people who post here are not representatitive of the people at large.
Unlike Howard Dean, Hillary Clinton is well kown to the public, and her supporters in polls overwhelmingly say they are not likely to change their minds. Dean was not well known to the Democratic voters, but temporarily captured their imagination with his stand on Iraq, and a call to return to the lost values of the Democratic party. They lost confidence when it became clear that he was not a well seasoned candidate.

It is pretty clear that Clinton's lead will be hard to erode. Heavy attacks on her could end up being  a pyrhhic defeat for the Democratic party.


http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x2882.xml?ReleaseID=1109
"..New York Sen. Hillary Clinton is overwhelming Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and the rest of the Democratic primary field, and slowly increasing her lead over New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, the Republican front-runner, in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania, according to Quinnipiac University's Swing State Poll, three simultaneous surveys of voters in states that have been pivotal in presidential elections since 1964.

Sen. Clinton's support appears to be as deep as it is wide. In Ohio, 74 percent of her supporters say they are not too likely or not likely at all to change their mind. In Florida, 59 percent of her supporters are unlikely to change their mind; in Pennsylvania it's 56 percent.

Giuliani voters are less committed, as no more than 39 percent in any state say they are unlikely to change their mind.

Clinton and Giuliani dominate their party primaries in each state, even though voters say Obama and Arizona Sen. John McCain are more principled in their decision-making. .."

Not copping out Eadler I don't think she's the right person for the job.  I have been known to change my mind.  I wasn't a Kerry supporter I was a Dean supporter and I voted for Kerry so you never know. 

But I don't like Hillary at all and at this moment can't think of anything she would do to make me vote for her but she is a democrat(I think) and maybe that will be enough.  I just can't seem to understand why she is leading in the polls.  Eadler I live in NY and the only person I've met in my travels who says she will definitely vote for her is my Republican mother in law.