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3 years ago  ::  Nov 14, 2011 - 7:31PM #2191
johndavid23
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"Follow the money."

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 14, 2011 - 7:38PM #2192
Mlyons619
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Please provide proof that oil payments were made to the President in return for the current Iraq policy.


Because otherwise there IS no proof...

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 15, 2011 - 10:48AM #2193
johndavid23
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Google "oil contributions to Obama political" yeilds:


Obama biggest recipient of BP cash - Erika Lovley - POLITICO.com


Oil & Gas | OpenSecrets


www.opensecrets.org › ... › Interest GroupsEnergy/Natural ResourcesCached - Similar

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"Oct 31, 2011 – Your donations help us hold politicians accountable. ... Individuals and political action committees affiliated with oil and gas companies have ... Yet Obama still received $884000 from the oil and gas industry during the 2008 ..."


and 5.2 million other similar references.


Yes, politics is bought by big oil; thus, wars are for the interests of big oil.

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 15, 2011 - 11:02AM #2194
johndavid23
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Just a footnote on the Iraq war and "soldiering":


www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/14/john-n...


John Needham, Iraq Veteran, Accuses Army Of War Crimes


"In the episode, CBS describes how Needham claimed to have witnessed horrendous atrocities committed by his unit against Iraqis during their deployment in the country. In a letter to senior army officials, Needham wrote that he suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) and depression. He described what he called war crimes, asked for an investigation and requested to be assigned to a different unit.


"The Veterans Project quotes Needham's letter:


In June of 2007 1SG Spry caused an Iraqi male to be stopped, questioned, detained, and killed. We had no evidence that the Iraqi was an insurgent or terrorist. In any event when we stopped he did not pose a threat. Although I did not personally witness the killing, I did observe 1sg Spry dismembering the body and parading of it while it was tied to the hood of a Humvee around the Muhalla neighborhood while the interpreter blared out warnings in Arabic over the loud speaker."


"Needham described other alleged atrocities. According to his letter, he witnessed Iraqi teenagers being beaten by American soldiers. He also alleged that American troops paraded dead bodies on top of their humvees, skinned an Iraqi's face and tore the brain out from a body.


Needham included photos in his letter.


"Needham believed that the Army never acted on his testimony. "They took it all down, said thank you for your information and I never heard anything again," he said, according to CBS."


Why would sane people support such atrocities?


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3 years ago  ::  Nov 15, 2011 - 2:58PM #2195
Mlyons619
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Nov 15, 2011 -- 10:48AM, johndavid23 wrote:


Google "oil contributions to Obama political" yeilds:


Obama biggest recipient of BP cash - Erika Lovley - POLITICO.com


Oil & Gas | OpenSecrets


www.opensecrets.org › ... › Interest GroupsEnergy/Natural ResourcesCached - Similar

You +1'd this publicly. Undo

"Oct 31, 2011 – Your donations help us hold politicians accountable. ... Individuals and political action committees affiliated with oil and gas companies have ... Yet Obama still received $884000 from the oil and gas industry during the 2008 ..."


and 5.2 million other similar references.


Yes, politics is bought by big oil; thus, wars are for the interests of big oil.




Then don't re-elect Obama.  Maybe you oughta go for Ron Paul...

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 15, 2011 - 3:01PM #2196
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Nov 15, 2011 -- 11:02AM, johndavid23 wrote:


www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/14/john-n...


John Needham, Iraq Veteran, Accuses Army Of War Crimes




Yup, a footnote indeed.  We have one man's story.  Is it it possible his allegations didn't pan out?


Nov 15, 2011 -- 11:02AM, johndavid23 wrote:


Why would sane people support such atrocities?




Most people don't -- IF TRUE...


They're not always true, you know...

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 16, 2011 - 10:26AM #2197
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Big oil will still be pumping Iraq, even if most of the troops are just hanging out in Kuwait to guarantee big-oil's excess profits.  Why don't we put them to thwe American test: "does the military's cost justify its continued entitlement and welfare?"  Has it justified its wars and the trillions of dollars spent?  Has it turned a profit?  Or was it all money and blood down the drain?  And that does not mean $$$$ in the pockets of big-oil:  I'm refering to adding value to the lives of the taxpayers who sacrificed those $$$$trillions.

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 17, 2011 - 4:12PM #2198
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Let's stay on the Iraq War please. Off topic posts were removed.


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3 years ago  ::  Nov 23, 2011 - 3:46AM #2199
Mlyons619
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Nov 16, 2011 -- 10:26AM, johndavid23 wrote:


 


Big oil will still be pumping Iraq, even if most of the troops are just hanging out in Kuwait to guarantee big-oil's excess profits.  Why don't we put them to thwe American test: "does the military's cost justify its continued entitlement and welfare?"  Has it justified its wars and the trillions of dollars spent?  Has it turned a profit?  Or was it all money and blood down the drain?  And that does not mean $$$$ in the pockets of big-oil:  I'm refering to adding value to the lives of the taxpayers who sacrificed those $$$$trillions.




That, of course, assumes that Big Oil is what put troops in here in the first place.  You've posted "source that insinuate that Big Oil paid off Obama.  Innuendo is not proof.  And Kuwait is not Iraq. 

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 29, 2011 - 7:45AM #2200
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Proof has been posted

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