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3 years ago  ::  Oct 01, 2011 - 1:55PM #2181
johndavid23
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Sounds like another "friendly fire" assassination, like that of Pat Tillman.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 01, 2011 - 5:14PM #2182
Mlyons619
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Sounds like you don't know what "indirect fire" is.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 24, 2011 - 11:04AM #2183
johndavid23
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Finally, with an end to fake-milatristic patriotism, people feel free to speak the truth:www.commondreams.org/view/2011/10/23




"The Iraq War is Finally Over. And It Marks a Complete Neocon Defeat



"Thanks to the toppling of Saddam Hussein, Iran's greatest enemy, Tehran's influence in Iraq is stronger than America's



Obama "had actually been supporting the Pentagon's effort to make a deal with Iraq's prime minister Nouri al-Maliki to keep US bases and several thousand troops there indefinitely.

"The talks broke down because Moqtada al-Sadr's members of parliament and other Iraqi nationalists insisted that US troops be subject to Iraqi law. In every country where they are based the US insists on legal immunity and refuses to let troops be tried by foreigners. In Iraq the issue is especially sensitive after numerous US murders of civilians and the Abu Ghraib scandal in which Iraqi prisoners were sexually humiliated. In almost every case where US courts tried US troops, soldiers were acquitted or received relatively brief prison sentences."


"The final troop withdrawal marks a complete defeat for Bush's Iraq project. The neocons' grand plan to use the 2003 invasion to turn the country into a secure pro-western democracy and a garrison for US bases that could put pressure on Syria and Iran lies in tatters."


Just another few $trillion poured down the rathole of militarist stupidity.


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3 years ago  ::  Oct 24, 2011 - 10:41PM #2184
Mlyons619
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Good thing we are leaving.  I agree US troops should NOT be subjected to Iraqi Law, especially if we are there to keep their military modern and self-sufficient.


Moqtada al-ASadr is NOT loyal to a sovereign Iraq -- he's looking for Iran to fill the void that the US will be leaving.


This BTW is something secularists, Sunnis, Kurds, and moderate Shiites in Iraq do NOT want -- more Iranian influence.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 25, 2011 - 12:36PM #2185
johndavid23
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Oct 24, 2011 -- 10:41PM, Mlyons619 wrote:


Good thing we are leaving.  I agree US troops should NOT be subjected to Iraqi Law, especially if we are there to keep their military modern and self-sufficient.


Moqtada al-ASadr is NOT loyal to a sovereign Iraq -- he's looking for Iran to fill the void that the US will be leaving.


This BTW is something secularists, Sunnis, Kurds, and moderate Shiites in Iraq do NOT want -- more Iranian influence.




This is the situation which Bush created with this unnecessary war of empire in his attempt to steal Iraqi oil for US oil corporations.  The contracts have been signed.

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 25, 2011 - 9:10PM #2186
Mlyons619
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Again, this idea that our commitments there are at the whim and will of Big Oil and the MIC are moonshine. 

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3 years ago  ::  Oct 25, 2011 - 10:29PM #2187
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Wonder if PM Nouri al-Maliki is one of those having second thoughts?  Many Iraqis quoted below are:



Many Iraqis Have Second Thoughts as U.S. Exit


"...The political changes that have occurred here and the security problems have led a lot of Iraqis, including me, to change our minds about the withdrawal of U.S. forces...” That was a view that few Shiites...would ever have spoken — when it seemed the United States was never going to go..."


"...Iraq is just not ready, and it’s necessary for the Americans to stay to prevent Iran from overrunning the country and helping to prevent violence..."


“...After the Iraqi government was formed, I began to discover that the Americans were far better than the current officials...I wish that the United States would stay longer because we need their culture, their assistance and their development. The American security forces keep the evil and militias away...”


 “...The Iranians and their agents are celebrating...”



Again Moqtada al-Sadr is heavily influenced by the Iranian Government, in fact has been an exile in Iran after his attempt to overthrow al-Maliki failed two years ago, and is considered an Iranian agent by many Iraqis.  Was he REALLY looking after Iraqi interests when he pushed for US troops being under Iraqi law?


No matter.  We're out by the end of this year.  My sympathies to the 2,000 or so who have to stay behind, but, hopefully, we can get those guys out by 2012...

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 13, 2011 - 9:26PM #2188
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The end is in sight:  From camp victory Iraq  Nov 10, 2011(NYT)“The last hot meal will be served here on Nov. 20, an early Thanksgiving dinner. After that, soldiers will eat field rations during their final weeks at the base. The Burger King, Taco Bell and Subway that brought some American comfort to Iraq are already gone.”

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 14, 2011 - 1:00PM #2189
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Oct 25, 2011 -- 9:10PM, Mlyons619 wrote:


Again, this idea that our commitments there are at the whim and will of Big Oil and the MIC are moonshine. 




This "moonshine" may be all the sunlight the subject gets.  What will stand except the oil companies contracts?  Nothing.QED

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3 years ago  ::  Nov 14, 2011 - 7:19PM #2190
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So the oil companies conspired with the last President and are conspiring right now with our current President and THAT is why our commitment in Iraq continues?  PUH-leeze...!

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