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1 year ago  ::  Jan 24, 2012 - 10:42PM #2221
Mlyons619
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Jan 23, 2012 -- 12:27PM, johndavid23 wrote:


...The Iraq war is only over for the neo-nuts who went in saying that 3 days and $3 billion would straighten things out and now want to forget their "mistake" by any means possible...



The war is OVER, johndavid23.  OVER.  We will live with the consequences of this war, but it is STILL over.


Jan 23, 2012 -- 12:27PM, johndavid23 wrote:


Yet, the soldiers camp out now in Kuwait and pretend that the war is over:  what are they waiting/staying for?  Yes, more war. Just take a breather every ten years and continue the slaughter of innocent civilians.  After all, those warprofiteers are not about to give up their excessive profits just because they've sucked the economy dry.




Do you have anything other than your personal opinion to back up any of what you are sayiong here?


Look at how many troops are in Kuwait.  20,000 - mostly support troops.  The US is asking to add an addition 3,500 combat troops, but that is by no means finalized.  Bottom line.  There are nowhere near enough troops to go back to fighting again.


As far as the "warprofieers sucking the economy dry," perhaps you need to provide a link to support that.  The TOTAL Defense budget is 4.7% of the total FY 2012 Budget.  It seems it is DOMESTIC ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS sucking the economy dry and not the Defense budget.


In short, your statements do not reflect reality.  Helps to have your ducks in a row before making duch dire statements.

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1 year ago  ::  Jan 26, 2012 - 12:43PM #2222
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The USA"s defense budget does not include the welfare grants to corporations to develop and create and profit from weapons the military buys; neither does it include the $$$$$ necessary to care for the wounded, shocked and disabled its wars have created; nor the re-education of soldiers it exploited; nor the costs of inflation upon the population due to its energy-wasting wars; nor the continual propaganda advertising the military to unsuspecting youth; nor the costs to families and communities to deal with soul-ravaged returned soldiers; nor the weaponry "given" to nations around the world to keep their puppet-governments in control of their people and to create threats to neighboring nations; nor the costs of borrowing the money from banks to pursue the unnecessary wars; etc.

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1 year ago  ::  Feb 01, 2012 - 11:29PM #2223
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Just because we are being told the war is over doesn't mean the US is not still involved in Iraq.  The troops may be home or sent on another tour, but money is still being spent in Iraq.  I don't see an end anytime soon.


Challenges Looming in Iraq for US State Department

February 1, 2012 U.S. soldiers are leaving Iraq, but as many as 18,000 contractors are staying behind to run and protect the Green Zone, the world's largest embassy complex. The contractors are being overseen by the State Department, which does not have a good history of contract oversight. POGO Investigator Jake Wiens lays out some of POGO's worries in the video above, and POGO Senior Writer Beth Schulman's op-ed on Other Words delves into the possibility of coming problems with contractors in Iraq.


AND: At least $31 billion, and possibly as much as $60 billion, has been lost to contract waste and fraud in America's contingency operations......


Continued at link..

Iraq hits out over US drone flights 

The drones are the latest example of the State Department's efforts to take over functions in Iraq that the military used to perform. About 5000 private security contractors now protect the embassy's 11,000 staff members.

When embassy personnel move around the country, small helicopters buzz over their convoys to provide support in case of an attack. Often, two contractors armed with machineguns are tethered to the outside of the helicopters.


Continued at link....

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13 months ago  ::  Jun 04, 2012 - 12:36PM #2224
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And the lies and misconceptions regarding Iraqi deaths continue.


Not that the body count wasn't bad enough.  IBC documents that over died from 2003 to date.  And the count continues.


But there are those propagandists who would have folks believe that the US is directly responsible for over 1 million deaths - based NOT on actual deaths - but on a door-to-door survey of a thousand Iraqi households.


IBC, an antiwar site, published an article of WHY such exaggerations discredit themselves.


... Such inflated, and all too carelessly adopted, estimates trivialise the already documented (and tragically high level of) deaths about which the world still knows far too little. Nor do they contribute, even in broad outline, to the work that lies ahead: the establishment of a comprehensive, locally-verifiable, detailed truth, painstakingly pieced together, death by death, name by name, recording each and every casualty of this conflict. The pressing need is for more truth rooted in real experience, not the manipulation of numbers disconnected from reality....



It's an old debate, but those who wish to reopen it, have at it...



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7 months ago  ::  Nov 19, 2012 - 10:48PM #2225
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Iraq Bombings Kill 17


The US is gone, but the sectarian violence goes on and on...

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 03, 2013 - 5:05PM #2226
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Should we re-sticky this?

Or is the Iraq War finally in the past?
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3 weeks ago  ::  Apr 28, 2013 - 8:49PM #2227
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Iraq Government bans Sunni news agencies - including al-Jazeera



Iraq Bans Al-Jazeera Broadcasts


...A Sunni-Shiite war may be brewing in Iraq.  The governing body of the present government is Shiite, and has revoked the operating licenses of Al-Jazeera, 8 Sunni networks, and 1 Shiite.


Security has been deteriorating in the country due to Sunni unrest.  More than 180 people have been killed in the last week.


Al-Jazeera, based in the small, energy-rich Gulf nation of Qatar, said it was “astonished” by the move..."  (more)




Democracy in Iraq has always been on shakey ground, but banning freedom of the press?

Is al-Maliki showing his true colors? 


Not a good sign for Iraqi democracy at all

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3 weeks ago  ::  Apr 28, 2013 - 8:55PM #2228
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Apr 28, 2013 -- 8:49PM, Mlyons619 wrote:


Iraq Government bans Sunni news agencies - including al-Jazeera



Iraq Bans Al-Jazeera Broadcasts


...A Sunni-Shiite war may be brewing in Iraq.  The governing body of the present government is Shiite, and has revoked the operating licenses of Al-Jazeera, 8 Sunni networks, and 1 Shiite.


Security has been deteriorating in the country due to Sunni unrest.  More than 180 people have been killed in the last week.


Al-Jazeera, based in the small, energy-rich Gulf nation of Qatar, said it was “astonished” by the move..."  (more)




Democracy in Iraq has always been on shakey ground, but banning freedom of the press?

Is al-Maliki showing his true colors? 


Not a good sign for Iraqi democracy at all




It is just the reverse of the problem in Egypt with Morsi and the Brotherhood where the opposition or possible opposition press is similarly being limited. It is autocrats with religious extremist leanings or would be autocrats with religious extremist leanings acting true to form.

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