Dec 16, 2011 -- 3:10PM, Stardove wrote:

Dec 16, 2011 -- 2:55PM, Mlyons619 wrote:

Dec 16, 2011 -- 2:39PM, Stardove wrote:

At least 919,967 people have been killed in Afghanistan and Iraq since the U.S. and coalition attacks, based on lowest credible estimates.

What do you call "credible estimates?

Credible estimates are hard to know when the military admitted they did not keep up with the Iranian body count.

The Americans learned one lesson from Vietnam: don't count the civilian dead. As a result, no one knows how many Iraqis have been killed in the five years since the invasion. Estimates put the toll at between 100,000 and one million, and now a bitter war of numbers is raging. Jonathan Steele and Suzanne Goldenberg report

Lieutenant General Tommy Franks, who led the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan during his time as head of US Central Command, once announced, "We don't do body counts." This blunt response to a question about civilian casualties was an attempt to distance George Bush's wars from the disaster of Vietnam. 

Source

Note the source is not current article.

I go with IBC.  It is an antiwar site, yet it goes for CREDIBLE and VERIFIABLE data.

Jan 3, 2012 -- 11:28AM, johndavid23 wrote:

The Iraqis declared a national holiday to celebrate their driving out the US military occupation force...

S'funny.  I seem to recall our military did their own driving out of Iraq...

Jan 3, 2012 -- 11:28AM, johndavid23 wrote:

The military Talk about counter-productive insecurity.  We'd be better off without a US military sucking the economy dry.  It is just a corporate welfare scam. seems to train killers and then let them loose in the general population. 

Interesting how a lot of military technology makes its way into the civilian market and boosts our economy and ability to compete in the World market.

And the military seems to be able to field superbly trained technicians who work in the civilian community with that new marketable technology.

Rather a major omission?

Not bad for a bunch of "trained-killer scumbags."

Jan 4, 2012 -- 11:12AM, johndavid23 wrote:

Jan 4, 2012 -- 2:04AM, Mlyons619 wrote:

Jan 3, 2012 -- 11:28AM, johndavid23 wrote:

The Iraqis declared a national holiday to celebrate their driving out the US military occupation force...

S'funny.  I seem to recall our military did their own driving out of Iraq...

***probably driven out by mercenaries***jd23

Hmmm.  Only if your consider contract drivers "mercenaries."

Jan 4, 2012 -- 11:12AM, johndavid23 wrote:

Jan 4, 2012 -- 2:04AM, Mlyons619 wrote:

Jan 3, 2012 -- 11:28AM, johndavid23 wrote:

The military Talk about counter-productive insecurity.  We'd be better off without a US military sucking the economy dry.  It is just a corporate welfare scam. seems to train killers and then let them loose in the general population. 

Interesting how a lot of military technology makes its way into the civilian market and boosts our economy and ability to compete in the World market.

***maybe that explains why the US economy is tanked, since it is built on destruction (war) rather than production/positive-creativity.***jd23

There is SOME validity in this particular statement, as there are a preponderance of military engineers and technicians who get into aerospace after leaving the service.

Of course, a lot of military types work for outfits like Sony, Verizon, Ford, John Deere, while others go into strictly "military ventures like, Education, Health Care, Public Service, or the like.  

In short, your misreprsentation merely prove that you have a prejudice against the military and nothing more.

Jan 4, 2012 -- 11:12AM, johndavid23 wrote:

Jan 4, 2012 -- 2:04AM, Mlyons619 wrote:

And the military seems to be able to field superbly trained technicians who work in the civilian community with that new marketable technology.

***no examples, perhaps because that warprofiteer propaganda is pure lies.  The "civilian population" doesn't need more snipers.***jd23

Tell me johndavid23, just WHAT percentage of our military are SNIPERS?

If you have no idea, then all you have suceeded in doing is demonstrating your absolute ignorance of all things military.

Such asinine statements do nothing except highlight just how biased and prejudiced you are against anything and anyone military.

Jan 10, 2012 -- 8:00AM, fodaoson wrote:

This may  be my last post on this thread, ”the Iraq War”. The American involvement in the 2003- 2011 Iraq war is finished.
The US military LEFT Iraq in an orderly road march to Kuwait and not under fire.  Some Iraqis waved goodbye.   Yes there were civilian casualties, probably almost as many as Saddam and sons would have raped, tortured and murdered if left in power 

Yes, considering the US military regieme in Iraq the equivalent in terror and oppression as Saddam's regieme seems accurate.  But, what does that prove, that human beings can descend to the level of hatred of those they make war against?  Don't we ever learn from that?  Thus, no war is ever honorable or just, as we always know that an equal portion of suffering and misery will result from war as doing nothing.  Better to focus on creative activities rather than destruction.  Agents of destruction are all alike.